Nobody is actually against Bitcoin having spam filters. Fees are just another filter, not fundamentally any different from any other filter. Even Core is adding _new_ filters: TRUC and ephemeral dust are two recent examples (mandatory in Core, and optional in Knots). They're just against _you_ having a say in what filters you get to use. They want to dictate that you use the filters _they_ choose. Instead of decentralized policy, they want a centralized policy. (And they're not even choosing sane ones! Who in their right mind wants to relay CSAM???)

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n0>1 3 months ago
How low do you presume my iq is? You guys and the name calling. Jeez Great answer by the way. Really clears things up for me. I might have missed the more subtle nuance due to my low IQ though.
I don’t assume anything. If you follow the rubbish that is coming from Luke you clearly can’t assess facts from emotional fiction. I judge you based on your actions, not assumption.
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n0>1 3 months ago
Hope your right. I would rather be low IQ, then have bitcoin child porn all over the place. I hope I am misguided.
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n0>1 3 months ago
For why reason? What is he gaining exactly by emotionally manipulating people.
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n0>1 3 months ago
A grift? You don't like what ocean is doing? Do you know what they are doing?
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Y. 3 months ago
Running #knots ! (was running a filtering 27.1 Core instance until today, but from now on proudly signaling one more Knots-nodes to the network). Still won’t stop a big miner to insert a large scale, serialized, illegal turd into a block, and my knots node to validate it, but at least, I’ll have my #mempool and my conscience clean. #bitcoin image
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n0>1 3 months ago
Maybe it is a grift. Let the child porn fly I guess. They announce this change and he sees an opportunity to boost his fortune. Do I got that right?
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n0>1 3 months ago
I guess we wouldn't get it.
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BitcoinIsFuture 3 months ago
To the contrary. It gives the power to the Bitcoin Knots node runners and miners. People have the freedom to configure Bitcoin Knots settings the way they want. Defaults are sane. DATUM / Ocean offeres decentralized mining.
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n0>1 3 months ago
I'm blown away. Speechless. If this is the type of guy we might come up against. I'm not worried.
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MBE 3 months ago
Putting the whole op_return debate/argument to one side, I’m surprised at how centralised Bitcoin is in general. I never realised that a group of individuals basically run it. As a pleb I assumed Bitcoin just ran itself, however as we are witnessing it can actually be meddled with.
> I have the freedom to choose my own settings. And have you? Chosen your own settings I mean. Or have you accepted the defaults in knots and followed the crowd. You don’t have to answer here. You can reflect on your answer.
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n0>1 3 months ago
One thing at a time.
You didn’t answer my question. I asked if you chose your own settings. Did you review them. Understand them. Actively decide on them ? Or did you just run knots and virtue signal to the world ?
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BitcoinIsFuture 3 months ago
Yes, I made my own choice how to set my mempool. See this note below. You can check out the videos. There is step by step guide for each option.
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Solomining Bitcoin with Bitcoin Knots full node, Bitaxe Gamma and Datum Gateway on Ocean 🤙 Its an increadible awesomeness 🧡. Helping decentralize and keep spam-free Bitcoin network with Bitcoin Knots, participating in the mining and being part of the fairest lottery where one can earn the hardest money on planet Earth. Info how to setup Knots and Datum Gateway on Debian based OS are in Mechanic's and the team videos but the mining is set up as pooled mining. In Matt's video he shows how to setup for solo mining Bitcoin. DATUM Livestream Tutorials - Full Node Setup (Bitcoin Knots) DATUM Livestream Tutorials - Enterprise DATUM Gateway Setup How To Mine Bitcoin At Home
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But he did answer. By avoiding my question. Had they not have replied fine. But replying with a statement which looks like an answer while being vague and non committal is just weak.
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Y. 3 months ago
Core devs can ONLY meddle with their implementation of the protocol. Afterwards, CONSENSUS emerges. It CONSTANTLY emerges, endlessly. Currently, it’s debated, yes, but there is only so much that "a group of individuals" can do. What #bitcoin will become is up to the network as a whole, ALL individuals participate.
1. non commercial shit wants to happen on bitcoin 2. we have filters to discourage it 3. people work around filters and do more damage than if we just let it happen. 4. we relax filters 5. shit happens which is less damaging than #3 ^^ official. The speculations are around core being captured by interests which want the relaxation.
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BitcoinIsFuture 3 months ago
I suggest you read the article below and watch the video.
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"We're hearing things like Citrea is better than Ethereum," Chainway Labs co-founder Orkun Mahir Kılıç told CoinDesk. "It'll be better with time, because there's like $1 trillion, as of now, sitting in the Bitcoin blockchain. It is the most secure, battle-tested and decentralized blockchain. And we are bringing decentralized finance to it." 🤡🤡🤡 https://www.coinglass.com/news/91227
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We should be cautious balancing the opinions of people opposing decentralization at every possible level. Such in this case as node implementations Specifically id they run “for profit” organizations.
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JackTheMimic 3 months ago
What happens when you use DATUM to solo mine? Also, that is a hell of a way to earn...1-2%
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JackTheMimic 3 months ago
What did you write a reference implementation? Or did you just download a program and run defaults, and project that on everyone else.
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BitcoinIsFuture 3 months ago
Well, my issue lately was all manipulations and gaslighting by Core. It didn't make sense at first but now its cristal clear. At the discussion of this change on Github they censored opinions of Bitcoin contributors just for mentioning Citrea ... which was super strange for a Freedom project. And then all the manipulative technical shit mixed with gaslightning and even attacking the Bitcoin Culture and Values.
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JackTheMimic 3 months ago
So, you understand what OP_PUSHDATA does? And if so, why would making it useless be beneficial to Bitcoin's data structure?
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BitcoinIsFuture 3 months ago
Yes but then the intent is the key here. If you are fine with Ordinals and Runes and Bitcoin turning in something like Ethereum is fine. To me, Ethereum is a shitcoin, and the below is spam This is Bitcoin to me - Decentralized Freedom Money. image
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sato-g 3 months ago
No. The node runners run Bitcoin. We can just drop Core, and more devs go to Knots. We just need wise mainteners like Luke who respects what Bitcoin is.
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LoneRangir 3 months ago
I looked at your link. You're just shilling web3/AWS nonsense. I am not persuaded by your call for change. Try some other BlOcKcHaIn.
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BitcoinIsFuture 3 months ago
Lightning is superb technology, small fast payments are needed. Bitcoin is Money. For non monetary on L2 ... not terrible not great. But I read BIPs 300/301 for bridging shitcoins I don't like that at all. Bitcoin is Bitcoin, the only decentralized freedom money and should not introduce shitcoins.
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LoneRangir 3 months ago
The miner direct APIs are at least doing the sane thing and monitoring what gets added to the permanent chain. This behavior is preferable to a free for all. I guess we disagree on #3
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VarMur 3 months ago
I don’t know which side is correct in this, arguments from you and sipa both make sense to me. What I do know is that I’m very grateful for your expertise, morality, perseverance, and all the amazing work you do, for Bitcoin and humanity. So, THANK YOU 🙏 Luke, from the bottom of my heart.
> Nobody is actually against Bitcoin having spam filters You state an opinion as fact. you can't talk for "everyone"
"Fees are just another filter, not fundamentally any different from any other filter" please stop
if you are relaying blocks with illegal data in them then no your conscience is not clean. makes no difference if the illegal data is in blocks instead of the mempool. will you completely stop relaying blocks??
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Y. 3 months ago
Won’t stop relaying blocks no. You are right in that regard, but you know like me that the most harmful stuff (images) already there is split across multiple outputs. You’d have to want to be exposed to that stuff and reconstruct it. I understand there may also be URLs in plain text, but it’s the same, you’d have to be already actively informed of where to look (which block), and know where that link leads to. Also, if you allow me to say where my conscience is, then yes I am ok so far. If you allow me in return, goatmeal, I also have a question : Will you completely stop using the www ?
what a stupid question there's already plenty of 'p in the bitcoin blockchain, that everyone is storing and relaying when they run any bitcoin node, that can never be erased. nobody gets to claim moral superiority or a clean conscience. it will be much easier for us to get past this, just like every other time this kind of FUD was popular, if every node runner just admitted that they don't care.
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Y. 3 months ago
Knots nodes are 24% now. Grows everyday. A lot of people care. Won’t debate the efficiency. But we care. Not sure want you mean by « get past this », but if it’s « get past morale stances », then what remains is still people taking action against more evil. I regret you dismiss my question. Not wanting more filth is a good enough morale superiority, YES. If you disagree with that, then good luck. #bitcoin
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Fotoart 3 months ago
I'm ready this post as Luke is pro-knots.
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⚡Arvik⚡ 3 months ago
I'm no perv. Side note, seems the pervs are the ones arguing for knots. Not against it.
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⚡Arvik⚡ 3 months ago
Actually had to look up what that even meant🤣....
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⚡Arvik⚡ 3 months ago
*or don't understand it's way way more. #Softwar
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⚡Arvik⚡ 3 months ago
Filter out nodes that don't relay CounterParty (XCP) transactions Are the only ones I'm eluding to. Kiddie pervs got a special spot in hell waiting for them...fuk those lizards.
if you really wanted it to stop you would advocate for a fork that forbids big OP_RETURNs and ordinals and other things, in consensus. but you don't. you won't even talk about or acknowledge the possibility.
not a great idea. without addressing the reason why spam is so prevalent you are literally just steering it into more damaging forms with that. (you can't really make a consensus change that "forbid" ordinals. i assume this was meant to be inscriptions in witness)
for the record I don't think there should be a fork that forbids large OP_RETURNs and I believe core's arguments such as pieter wuille's recent stackoverflow post are 100% correct. but I'd be open to taproot getting patched if taproot is ugly
My comment was towards Mleku specifically, not you; they've called others shitcoiners for less, including being truly critical of the state of Bitcoin in 2025.
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⚡Arvik⚡ 3 months ago
How was monero today? 🤣🤣🤣 Want to rollback that theory🤣🤣
A good SoV tends to be diversified. Always a good idea to keep a few Monero around just as it was a good idea to keep some BTC around 10 years ago.