Just make the best UX you can and try to get users, its a waste of time to constantly discuss how to interoperate.
If you get a ton of users you win the discussion and become the standard by default without saying a word
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Whoever mint the most users win
medium. i think both are important. if they weren't, we wouldn't have NIPs or standards of any kind.
Interoperabilidade é fundamental para garantir soberania individual, pois permite aos usuários escolher suas próprias ferramentas sem lock-in.
And that's why nostr doesn't work.
Primal.
That's their entire business model, make the shittiest app but get the most users in order to force the rest of Nostr to centralise around them
💯 If you make good shit that a ton of people start using, other apps will copy it. So just make good shit.
After 5 years we still can't agree what a kind 1 note is lol (or is it kind 1111?) or what standard to use for dms or anything, to me it seems like a big waste of time 😭
Law #9 of the 48 Laws of Power:
Do not debate. Demonstrate.
The only caveat I make is kind designations because there are a few apps out there that use the wrong kinds and it fucks up my other apps when I use them.
If you are making a new thing and have a new idea, just create a new kind to go along with that idea. Don't clog up already established shit with your novel approach.
one of the smartest things i've heard this year.
Yakihonne got a new standard for dms. It's meant to make them private and actually work.
This has pretty much always been a problem in every domain. I suspect that's why some industries have centralized standards boards. Obviously people mostly still have to choose to follow them, but of course it isn't going to work if it's just the wild west. I dont see how making it wilder is going to bring more users in. If all they use is your app because nothing works together, you might as well just run a server and fuck Nostr entirely.
For sure it is not. Since Nostr does not win, when houndreds of independent apps are used. Nostr does win as one protocol being adapted by houndreds of apps. Whoever can not agree on this, will leave the protocol at some point.
seems pretty easy to me. kind 1 for notes and replies to notes and kind 1111 for every other reply. DMs is another story. they're so damn complicated.
This is why Nostr must fail.
You are here for the wrong reasons.
so they're not using NIP-17? what are they using now?
But yeah, if no one cares to make things clearer, I dont know what a single Dev can do.
Trying to remember what it was.. something like nip eeee
That's not it, but something like that, I remember it had letters instead of numbers.
This stuff is way beyond what I can understand to be honest
The mere fact y’all are still working through these Nostr matters tells me we’re on the right track. Never settling. 👊🏼
So replies and notes are the same kind?
And 1111 is like a reply to a reply?
if you become the standard, nostr dies.
Just make the best UX you can and try to get users, its a waste of time to constantly discuss how to interoperate.
If you get a ton of users you win the discussion and become the standard by default without saying a word
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Yeah not all nostriches speak dev gobblydegook
Just give them the apps they want lol fucking hell
who knew it would all be fake and gay
AI told me to use NIP 17
what's wrong now?
this post is meaningless, you are not actually saying much of anything here because interpretation can go into any direction on any level.
Are you saying you can just go ahead and build in proprietary server side stuff which by definition can't interoperate?
Are you saying you can just take some kind/NIP and use it in a different way such that it breaks on every other client, and not interoperate in that way?
Or are you simply saying that you can put some NIP/kind out there, carefully not using any number that is already in use, and claim that spot for that number with that feature/usecase simply by becoming dominant which already was the idea of how things work behind Nostr?
Or do you mean all of those things? Something else?
I am saying that trying to establish standards by a council of nerds isn't as effective as getting users on the standard you think is best
oh, yeah, sure, i guess. Might help to get some feedback on things in case you missed something or someone genuinely has a better idea or addition....
But all of this was permissionless to begin with. Except NIP-01, leave that shit alone, and if you do adopt a standard, actually adopt it and don't mangle it.
The difference is at least in the examples you gave those are options that can be supported by different clients because in some ways, they are standard and probably just different ways of doing the same thing. You didn't invent kinds that only one client uses.
My standard is Amy 0.94 and always will be 🫡
Nostr as a foundation, the product as the selling point. Few.