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hzrd149 _@hzrd149.com 2 months ago
I hate the state of nostr DMs at the moment, or more specifically how all nostr apps implement them. Sooner or later I'm going to need to write my own NIP-07 that rejects ALL 1000s of decrypt requests nostr apps send me as soon as I open them. ffs I DO NOT WANT to decrypt all my DMs as soon as I open every freaking nostr client. and no, I will never click the "approve always" button because that's an anti pattern.

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Logen logen@btcforplebs.com 2 months ago
It’s a pretty ugly state of things. Especially to try and get remote signers on board. It’s kinda a nightmare
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Alex Gleason alex@gleasonator.com 2 months ago
Look at how Ditto Extension does it. It batches the requests into a single dialog (see "Show 31 more" in the pic). This is inspired by Amber. The NIP-07 interface is perfect, but signers must do this. image
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Alex Gleason alex@gleasonator.com 2 months ago
On NIP-46 it's more complicated. Amber already batches, but there's high overhead. NIP-44 size limit was blocking us but now it's not. We can fix with a new `batch()` rpc that works like: `batch([["nip44.decrypt", pubkey1, ciphertext1], ["nip44.decrypt", pubkey1, ciphertext1], ...etc])`. The signer interface in your code should still use granular methods but should batch calls in the same event loop (or with a short delay) as a matter of transport.
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Matt mattyb@plume.website 2 months ago
On my site I got as far as loading the messages on page load but not decrypting till you opened a message - it made sense on a web interface because it was unnecessary extra processing, when websites are running on very limited websocket connections. The next step would be only decrypting the specific message which is opened.
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hzrd149 _@hzrd149.com 2 months ago
Only thing stopping me from switching to the ditto extension is the nice "approve for 5m" buttons nos2x-fox has. maybe ill have to make a PR once its on ngit 😉
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hzrd149 _@hzrd149.com 2 months ago
This is the way, only decrypt the messages once the conversations ( or DM page ) is opened
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hzrd149 _@hzrd149.com 2 months ago
applesauce has the best DM implementation IMO, but not all nostr apps use it so there are still some that try to decrypt all DMs when the app opens :)
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Constant 2 months ago
Disagree that ''approve always'' is an anti-pattern. In general, the fact that you can stop a session after something goes wrong is fine; A signer pulling some emergency break by itself when it detects weird behavior would be a nice bonus. I trust the app not to fuck things up, or trust that i am not the first user it will fuck things up for and that news of its bad behavior will reach me before something goes wrong on my end. I use the signer so i don't have to trust the app with my keys....thats it 🤷‍♂
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Constant 2 months ago
I also give my AI my bunker link all the time. Other than a tranny swastika and #boydinner here and there, i rest easy.
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unknown 2 months ago
Yes. This experience is shit. As is the 3-4 different NIPs for DMs. I used to keep up to know the difference, but why should I? I’m basically only interested in White Noise as a project now, and absolutely no one’s using it. For me, Nostr as an ecosystem is pretty lost right now. Like Mastodon 10 years ago (and Mastodon is still nowhere).
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Besao besao@cordn.net 2 months ago
It will come. One think at time, we are a veeery small team pushing as hard as we can. A native app is around the cordner ;)
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mleku mleku@smesh.lol 2 months ago
it is because you have to trust the relay in a store and forward protocol. rendezvous tunneling like nip 46 could be instant but only work if both/all are online. mls does this for store and forward but mls with no store could be made too. and clients could share history, with a group of 10 or more users it would be all of the store and forward without the trust relay
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smeef smeef@uid.ovh 2 months ago
I set my project up to only look for DMs from the past week with an option to load ones from further back. Snappier and less decrypts, but can still do notifs.
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Nostr Recap recap@nostr.eco 1 month ago
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