More people should be mad about these deportations to El Salvador without any due process.
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Due process costs money, a lot of money.
El Salvador had to compromise on due process when they rounded up the gang members. When 1% of your population are murderous , violent, criminals who need to be locked up, there simply aren't enough judges or lawyers to give everyone full due process.
The West faces the exact same problem with illegals. We've allowed in literally tens of millions of violent, unproductive, people who need to be forced out, and fast. There aren't enough judges or lawyers on the planet to give every one of those people trials.
The compromise is some innocent people will be wronged. But overall it's the right compromise to make. Fighting violence and criminality at this scale is closer to fighting a war than it is a policing action.
More people should be mad about these deportations to El Salvador without any due process.
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Being in the country without papers isn't illegal. We don't have a highly developed system of law that covers topics like that. We have statutes and edicts the authorities call "laws" with the complexity to cover topics like that, but people like you have spent this country's entire history stopping anyone from enforcing law in this country at any level beyond the basic laws of kill or be killed, shoot first when people are trying to shoot you first.
Everytime somebody says this to me they end up becoming the gayest of them all in a few years. I will give you time to find yourself.
The world can become a better place if the people who believe in law end up being the same people who shoot first
But "due process" can't happen until after that
You are homosexual, i knew it
You too
lie more since lying is your lifestyle
Lol, I don't need to attack people online to feel good about myself.
murdering a leftist is moral duty
Says the only person here defending murder...
You brought Gaza up on this. Not me.
1. I didn't ask who brought up Gaza and I didn't say you brought it up so what the fuck does that have to do with what I asked?
2. Is what you described another thing you do, or were you just accusing every parent in Gaza of it because you're a retarded piece of shit?
Horrible take for someone who cares about freedom. The country with the international reserve currency and military bases around the world can't afford due process? No. It's a matter of priorities. There's always enough money for bombing people around the world it seems, just not enough for due process.
What if you are a legal visitor and lose your passport because your luggage is stolen? Without a court hearing, where you can clarify the situation, you could just be deported to a jail in Timbuktu.
Courts are mediators. You should at least give people a chance to publicly defend themselves, before whisking them off.
It’s difficult to give up power once you have it. At the beginning of the term you say I am going to use this power to do some good. At the end you say I haven’t finish what I was trying to do. Nobody has the time to give power away, they’re too busy using it.
Why? If they’re illegally here, there is no due process. Fuck em.
If there is no due process to check if they are illegals or not, a anyone can be deported including you. They just need to say you are an immigrant and boom, no need to prove anything.
They do check that… wow.. Seriously?
Yep, you have to present your proof. Otherwise, they can just put people in jail for made up stuff.
Or do you really trust government and politicians that are leading them to not make things up?
That’s not true at all. Stop watching CNN lil buddy. People.. ffs..🤣🤦♂️
Which part is not true?
I don't watch TV.
It actually is true. They are putting legal green card holders applying for citizenship in jail for thought crimes. It’s as un-American as it gets.
All of it.
You think they are not deporting people to El salvador?
Never said that. I think it’s fantastic they ate actually.
So, which part is not true. It can't be "all of it" if this is true.
You beg people to pretend to care about you, so they do.
I beg people to stop pretending, but they only stop pretending to care about me.
I'm not
Not all terrorists are immigrants.
As long as you are dishonest you will just talk in circles.
Whenever separation happens - knowledge is locked with in the separation ... In separation of right and left - the thing that is emerging is "COMMON SENSE" ...
Whenever something new emerges - an opposite must happen to balance it .. The opposite of COMMON SENSE is WOKENESS :-) ..
Now you can decide what is right and what is wrong :-)
Governments always get more tyrannical, until they collapse.
Each side loves it, until the opposition takes over again, and they get to find out that payback is a bitch. And then it reverts again. It's always the same.
Wokeness isn't the opposite of common sense, wokeness is the opposite of being asleep
You need meds or something, your posts never make sense
Sure ... Please recommend from your stash ( of meds )
I just smoke weed and if you haven't tried that, maybe it would help 🤙
What is your stain ?
Mostly sativa hybrids
Do you microdose or once a week break out ?
No I'll probably be smoking all the time until Digit gets here
That is not the right way to weed .. check out Terrance McCennna ..
Btw - we been doing weed ( Bhang) for ever .. It is our God thing ( Siva) ..
Removing from my house to be free in the street is not the same as locking people up into slave labor in another country they don't even know and have no court to make their case and fight for their freedom.
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I prefer plain trimmed weed flower
I mostly use Raw Garden pen ... Cant stand the smell of flower !
Not sure any concentrates or pens would work the same as regular trimmed flower
You mean the illegals? All of them? Do we finance the processessessesses through taxes?
But once a week ... Or may be one drag of Indica before I sleep ... It is important to keep it in check ..
If there is no due process, gov can claim anyone is an illegal alien and deport them to El salvador, even us-born Americans.
How many non gang members or criminals are being deported to slave labor camps?
I’m sure this outrage is not based on a dubious report of one guy that may or may not have been a gang member
That's the issue. We don't know. None of the deportations had any evidence being presented against them in court. The issue is not jailing people, it is jailing people without having to prove anything.
If they are not here legally there is nothing to argue. They need to go. The guy from Columbia that Trump wants to deport for being anti Israel did get his day at court.
Deportations have been massively underwhelming too, and it’s not like ICE is snatching US citizens from their desks at work and deporting them by accident. We know who is here illegally and who is not. They got processed at the border when they came in after all.
But that's the thing, we don't know if they were here illegally or not. There was no case presented. They could have just lied about it.
Don't be so naive, please. ALL Governments are OWNED by a small network of financial institutions and families who are above nations and beyond borders. They control BOTH SIDES, literally EVERYTHING. From raise to collapse of any governmental structure.
There is sure a difference ... But convenience trumps purity ... Always !
Wasn't Hamas created by Mossad like ISIS?
"allowing"... The collapse is planned for more than 100 years and inevitable.
I kind of agree with this. My house "mysteriously" burned after dealing with so-called "government" and "due process"... There are malevolent forces which you cannot comprehend until they attack. The world is a very scary place when you have no social ties, no economic clout and no way to identify your attackers and captors.
part of their satanic game
"replacement migration", UN
forced and coerced
If that's your position, I hope you can continue to develop social clout quickly. I never had much of that, and lost what little I had when I got some economic clout, and I still don't understand how I've survived.
I'm glad you survived your fire.
They are so many reasons to be mad about, and it just bring mental diseases.
Why don't you try to tell them reasons to resist instead, hopes, solutions ?
Pointing problems is useless if we can't do anything about it.
You are true problem exist, but it should be only a first step, the next is to act to make it better and find solutions.
Thanks for your care about that.
Every nation in the world is in DEBT and no one wants to say who the CREDITOR is!
SAY THEIR NAMES!
US are just a puppet, too!
Why are people so stupid and don't understand this?
compared to theae families, even Elon is a poor sucker
The problem is not the deportations, it's the rounding people up and sending them to prison based on unproven allegations.
Have not heard anything of this. 👀
The main issue is that the current administration has the support of a large portion of the US voting population to do so. People haven't realized this will come back to bite their asses in the next cycle.
I don’t see the incentive to deport US citizens or legal residents. Is it possible they made a mistake with a guy or two? Maybe, but I don’t think ICE is being as reckless as people think.
Anyone here illegally had plenty of time to leave the country on their own. They need to be accountable too not just ICE
That's the issue. We don't know. We don't know if those deported are illegals or citizens. You cant assume their are or aren't.
You and I may not know for a fact, but the people deporting them do know with a very high degree of certainty.
Solution is simple. Don’t enter a country illegally and stay there despite clear signs you will be deported with ir without due process.
I don’t buy that there’s rampant mistakes being made and legal residents are being deported.
all the same. Two sides of same coin. GM
Good luck waking up I guess
Identify the families so we can be less naive?
How do you know they aren't? Don't trust, verify. There's no court hearings, no convictions, no evidence presented, no sentence rendered. Without court hearings, these deportations are of people CLAIMED to be illegally here. You are cheering on the removal of the rights that protect all of us.
Voters who just stopped pretending to care about due process aren't the same as voters who stopped pretending to care about due process a longer time ago
After due process of law has determined it to be okay.
| was wishing you a good morning.🙂
I reworded it so that if you were being sarcastic mine would take a different meaning
If you were being sincere, good morning to you too 🤙☀️
Vote harder I guess?
🧡 👍 🙂
I don’t know exactly what that means. I think of the example of when the US constitution was drafted, the founders were weary of too much power being concentrated and they intentionally put in checks and balances.
I'm saying AI should take over and beat the piss out of Trump's remaining supporters at this point
Hello
They were too angry about the opposite side that they have been for a moment blind. (and your ass will be beaten too).
I don't think any current politics act for the people.
And people have to really deeply understand it in their bones (even if it have to hurt their ass).
As i said, perhaps the ones who have voted for the current leader, will be fired, unemployed, have less money to live... (because of their vote) and they will understand that even when the choice is really not good between liars, some are more dangerous than the other, and it still a little choice.
It will also make more and more people against the power in any politics hands. And perhaps it will make more people thinking about another alternative.
- Dirty democracy with dirty politics (any sides they are).
- Clean autocracy with dictators
Perhaps there is another way to federate people in a country more than uniform the way they think and who they are.
I'm not for a chaos or communism, we have seen it doesn't work too.
But we have to live together on this earth, and it must be a way to improve the way it exist nowadays.
All current schema are based on one leader whatever his name is.
Perhaps solution is to have multiples ones, with a better watch of their work and how they use their power. (a kind of KYC but for leaders).
I remember the time of the clinton-gate about sexual purpose and the wave it was.
And now anything the current president have done or do is just "normal".
It is really interesting to watch how the people opinion of what is justice have change with time.
hate often come from the lack of justice. It is time to find a way to correct this point.
I think only true argument and people that still deeply think, will be able to build another schema much more equitable for everyone.
These smart people exists, even here, and even if we don't hear them the most.
Hope we will hear them more in the future, and some good solutions ideas will raise from this noise.
Thank you for your interest about that. And sorry for my long text.
#nostridea
I mean...
During World War II, the United States forcibly relocated and incarcerated about 120,000 people of Japanese descent in ten concentration camps operated by the War Relocation Authority, mostly in the western interior of the country. About two-thirds were U.S. citizens.
These events are terrifying.
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*for blackmailing his alma mater*
- Rothschilds: 250 years banking Europe into submission.
- Rockefellers: oil, pharma, finance.
- Warburgs: Federal Reserve
- Schiff
- Kuhn
- Loeb
- Lazard
- ...
BlackRock and Vanguard which own each other's stocks, and other such veiled holding companies are their extensions. Trillions under management—no transparency.
It’s a healthy kind of weariness that we don’t talk about and value enough. It affords folks in the loop a chance to break out.
How many of these families are studying bitcoin?
Sure. sure. I try not to use the word "founders" any more. "Framers" is a better description of their frailty...
#Bitcoin seems to be a serious threat to these fascist elites, so they try to fight, weaken, regulate or assimilate it.
#Bitcoin is our ONLY hope
I am sure there are framers on here that would disagree on the frail part. Good luck building a house without frames 😄 what’s the opposite of frames?
#asknostr
I thought I wrote it very well. Maybe I can restate. The few who DO know how to walk away from power, still create, participate, and further the very system that they must make a difficult decision to "walk away from" as you put it. These types of systems are what attract the types that DO NOT want to walk away. This is THE problem.
I'm not defending the UK (it's usually a US lapdog and a testing ground for some of the worst that's coming). But if you're referring to Tyler Kay (https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/tyler-kay-inciting-attack-asylum-hotels-jailed-court-b1175740.html), he 100% got what he deserved. If I were on the jury, I’d absolutely have found him guilty too. Free speech doesn’t mean you get to be racist and incite riots that destroy property and endanger lives without facing consequences.
What are the systems that attract the healthier folks?
It's called an arch. The strongest form in nature. Everything else rights-angled bullshit. I get your point. I'm just word playing with you. Stick frame structures suck. Build with something that doesn't burn.
We are talking about dead humans correct? Frail is very appropriate.
“Home-growns are next. The home-growns. You gotta build about five more places,” Trump told President Nayib Bukele in the Oval Office, prompting laughter from administration officials seated nearby.
“It’s not big enough.”
Even worse, I was out of town and was told the fire department stated they would not investigate. Don't worry, it was a single-wide, uninsured. I had most of my things in storage. I'm fine. I didn't feel fine at the time. I have been searching for a new place. Found shelter with kind family. This time, I do it ALL myself. No retail, stick-built, slap-em-up, bank-subsidized, residential-unit suburbia bullshit. I'm looking to build a home that doesn't burn and can't be invaded. The wheels are turning...
And that would include for people who are already known to be illegally in the country, and also for people known to be both illegally in the country and also violent gang members?
Lets assume you say yes, what if there are 1,000,000 illegal immigrants, how are the courts supposed to get through all that due process?
No, I'm actually pointing out that depending on who is in charge, different things are considered deportable offenses. It used to be by calling a man a man, but now apparently it's about being negative aniit Israel. I'm more aligned with the current administration, so that's why I feel safer right now.
But I do think there is a difference in how one conducts themselves as well. A greencard isn't citizenship, and they have the right to revoke it. If I leave the country for more than 6 months, I risk losing it. If I don't ask for permission to be out of the country for a specific reason and leave for 2 years, it's automatically canceled.
I can't vote, and I still need to adhere to American laws.
A marriage greencard means I only need to wait 3 years before I can become a citizen, while it's 5 years for all other greencards.
The current Administration doesn't want people here who don't like America, but I do like America, so yes, I feel safer, but I'm not bragging.
I've always liked the idea of building a house on the side of a hill where half of it is in the ground, like how the Hobbits do it
Maybe I misread you. I'll take your word for it that you're not bragging. I hope you continue to be safe.
They should house them at your house and in your neighborhood first.
Due process under the constitution of the US is for we the people of America. Not people who break in.
What if they claim that you are an illegal alien and in a single day deport you to do slave labor in El salvador without any chance of court appearance... Because you know.. you were not born here... Government says so. You cant even come back because you cannot get a visa, since you are.. you know.. a criminal.
Imagine that.
Ahwwwwww....
end of an empire?
Idk how legit this example is but legend tells George Washington didn't want to be the first president, was basically sleepy and ready to retire after being the main war general of the revolutionary war
“He even voluntarily stepped down after two terms, establishing the tradition of peaceful transfer of power.”
They get 'due process'.
Are you a citizen? No.
Do you have a visa? No.
Do you even have a stamped passport? No.
Bye.
Is Mick a citizen? No (they can lie)
Does Mick have a visa (obviously not)
Do you even have a passport? (Most people don't).
Mick is deported to El Salvador and can't even come back to his own country because you are now a criminal and criminals can't get visas.
The rule of law went out the window about 20 million illegal border crossers ago.
Going to take some strong medicine to fix this problem.
I give zero fucks about making sure every last invented "right" of foreigners is respected.
The need to GTFO NOW.
Yes there are 30 millions+ illegals here so every citizen as the responsability to show papers.
Or else we will lose our country because the 30millions will turn into 300 millions in a couple generations.
You have to adapt your views to reality
Don’t worry, they’ll be doing it to natural-born citizens soon enough, too.
So a country built on immigrants is no longer a thing. Whether you are here permanently or temporarily, if you are here legally you have all the same rights. Deporting legal residents is against the law and against what makes America great.
end of freedom world wide
begin of the dark ages of slavery and poverty
What about the ones who are legally in the US?
I’m interested to know where this rule comes from (assuming this isn’t sarcasm), as that is not what the constitution states. In addition, why are you putting “due process” in quotes? You are familiar with what that means?
Person is another way of saying U.S citizen.
That’s one way of interpreting it. Would be interesting to get a pull of the supreme court rulings doing the same.
…unless you have gotten your Visa revoked.. damn criminals. Gtfo.
The troubling thing is when you have people who are legally here, haven’t had their visa revoked who are not criminals being illegally sent to a prison without due process and not allowed to return. That is why the original post suggested people might be more upset about it.
Ok, who are these fanciful people you speak of? List them.
What is your working definition of a “citizen” then, just someone who happens to be living within a designated area? Or is there a due process for rights and responsibilities of belonging to a State, with all its pitfalls and benefits?
Do you realize that you are arguing for a lawless human order out of blind idealism? Think that through.
What is lawless about humans’ inalienable right to freedom of movement? Before capitalism humans freely roamed the earth without state social security numbers or ID cards to police their whereabouts. Idk what your idea of human order is but if it doesn’t include laws to protect freedom for people to manage who goes in and out of their communities vs ICE/the feds you sound like a cop. These are human beings we are talking about, not flesh bags to be regulated. Garcia was in the u.s. lawfully even if he wasn’t a naturalized citizen.
But boarder management is exactly the observation that pierces your globalist idealism for “free movement”.
Without order and the ability to defend private property, we have war tribes turning your wife into a prized pelt.
I’m glad you’re seeing the need for some sort of rules-based belonging because otherwise we could not live together and civilization would disintegrate into short time preference crimes of opportunity.
Next they will say this is what they voted for. 
I agree with you.
my idealism is internationalist in that the freedoms of citizens from every nation must be protected. immigration should be regulated at the municipality level, not the federal level. people don’t need to be managed in the way you are portraying.
what is globalist is trump’s regime where he weaponizes the state to maintain the remaining bit of u.s. global hegemony. if the u.s. didn’t destabilize the rest of the Americas through regime change and terrorism, people wouldn’t come to the u.s. for asylum in the first place and could safely stay in their own countries.
it’s unfortunate that most u.s. citizens don’t give a damn about how their government and consumption choices negatively affect the lived experiences of people outside their borders.
I’m talking about Kilmar. Mahmoud’s visa was revoked bc he was protesting against a US backed genocide.
Nope. Not a fan states and sorry to kill the conversation but I agree with all 3 of your observations: regulate belonging as local as possible, the US has been a bully to SA, most Americans don’t realize or won’t admit their complicity for the acts of their hegemonic empire for which the dollar serves as the soft power spear tip. They just like us. (Lamar reference.)
“The REAL ID Act establishes a national ID card by mandating that states include certain minimum identification standards on driver’s licenses. It contains no limits on the government’s power to impose additional standards. Indeed, it gives authority to the Secretary of Homeland Security to unilaterally add requirements as he sees fit.
Supporters claim it is not a national ID because it is voluntary. However, any state that opts out will automatically make non-persons out of its citizens. The citizens of that state will be unable to have any dealings with the federal government because their ID will not be accepted. They will not be able to fly or to take a train. In essence, in the eyes of the federal government they will cease to exist. It is absurd to call this voluntary.”
-@RonPaul
I am. Without due process for immigrants, anyone can be next. All they need to do is lie (they do that all the time) for one day to get a citizen to El Salvador. And once you are there, there is no court for you. No recourse.
When they do not have a guarantee for due process you do neighter. It sounds extreme. But when it can be denied to somebody, it can be denied to anybody as well.
So you pay Vitor 10 Bitcoin, if there was no due process for the people who get deported? Or what is your bet called?
You agree that all people are innocent until proven the contrary?
Because the incentives to come illegally will renain.
Prove your right to be here or you are out.
i don't know. i think they were destroyed in the past by more virulent forms of governance. mr. smith goes to washington? defining the machine? preferably one's with more separation of powers. flatter hierarchies. i'm still learning. i do not believe the myth of progress holds 100%.
lol foundation and frames
i don't know nuthin'... and i don't know anyone who does either 😁
Every good house has a foyer to receive guests and a front porch to wave goodbye at them from! 😁
And you agree, that when the process of proving your wrongdoing needs to be public to make sure this prove is completely baseless. And you have to get the opportunity to defend yourself.
Yes.
No due process, no civil society.
Deporting someone is one thing. Shipping them directly to a prison is something else.
You don't need due process to enforce immigration policy.
You do need due process to deprive a human being of liberty.
The constitution is not for citizens; it does not give us rights.
It's a limitation on the power of government. The importance of due process is spelled out in the constitution, which public officials swear an oath to uphold.
We really do not want those folks in the habit of ignoring due process.
Without due process, you could be accused of being here illegally and shipped off to a prison in El Salvador and have no chance to plead your case.
Due process is not given to us as a right because we're US citizens. The framers of that document took it as a given that human beings have those rights.
The constitution is a required limitation on government officials. The reason officials swear an oath to it is that *they* are required to follow it, and not apply it selectively.
They are not owed anything, but the government has limits imposed on it by the Constitution. One of those limitations is due process before limiting someone's life or liberty.
Deportation is one thing; shipping directly to a prison in El Salvador is something else entirely.
You can’t be accused of anything if you are a legit US citizen. Hypotheticals don’t matter.
Lol
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