DON'T POST CROWD SHOTS OF BITCOINERS ON CONFERENCES WHO DIDN'T GIVE YOU EXPLICIT CONSENT TO INDEX THEIR FACE ON THE INTERNET.
BE CLASSY. RESPECT PRIVACY. REMEMBER YOUR CYPHERPUNK MANNERS.
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Yeah, that was painful to see. Very uncool.
100% good point
respect/privacy comes when give it others too
Which conferences still have a no photo policy?
Disappointed at the number of photos of the crowd in madeira.
I agree but do these conferences have no camera policies in place? If I went to a conference like this I would assume I would be photographed somewhere to be honest.
I've seen the Livestream, way too many crowd shots!
This does not happens in Nostr conferences. Normalize green/orange suits 🍊
Maybe don’t expose yourself by going to a convention without taking privacy in your own hands.
It’s your responsibility not others.
Real cypherpunks don’t attend these n e ways.
EVERY EVENT AT BITCOIN PARK.
I’m still angry about this photo taken of me arriving for breakfast. Never again will I be able to wear this outfit. 
The park isn’t open to the gp right?
Just by going there and knowing they were filmed, they give consent. Is a public space, you are the only one responsible for your face.
I didn't violate any privacy by screenshot a public video.
WE HOST MULTIPLE FREE EVENTS EVERY MONTH.
Oh dam I didn’t know that… thank you sir
NO
We have no expectation of privacy in public 💨
Did I entered into their house and took the pictures? NO.
They were in a public space. This happen when you are in a public space.
It’s a private event.
With a public entrance that can me monitored 24/7…
Wouldn’t surprise me if there was an open ip cam somewhere near there n e ways???
Are they now? That’s the real question…
If you are on a beach and you show me your genitals... so you scream loud that I violate your privacy by looking at your genitals?
Should one go to a conference if they don't want to be known?
You're in a public space. Wear a face covering. Expecting others to not take photos is absurd.
And where is this genital beach you frequent?
Freak.
More conferences should hand out those "No Photos" badges.
Conferences are usually private events where organisers can set the rules.
Private events are not public events.
It's a private event. And it doesn't matter what your personal expectation is.
Real cypherpunks would never say such a thing.
There's a difference between expecting some general, less recognizable crowd pictures, and getting your face actively singled out and doxxed.
Breaking rules is a completely different issue. I'd still argue that a conference is public for the purpose of this argument.
They are literally private events with rules they can choose to implement.
This isn't about private or public events though, it's about basic cypherpunk decency.
This post says crowd shots, not walking up to an individual face and snapping a shot.
💯!!!!
Yeah, was thinking this the whole time while watching Bitcoin Atlantis. Many close shots of the crowd. Stop this guys.
It's also not about taking pictures but about posting them.
Everywhere, I go I'm being recorded by some type of camera connected to internet
I usually wear privacy glasses, but I understand what you are noting
Care to share the glasses?
He also accepts #bitcoin
Good point - privacy is a right
Nice I’m bout to get a pair should have a year or 2 ago when I heard about em.
Nice, I bought my first pair in 2020
It's good manners for the cypherpunks. Doesn't apply to normies
Nice
So annoying when people do random recordings of the crowd. Including with use of drones.
True! But you can wear a mask to avoid this !
Has to be said. OFTEN AND LOUDLY
A friend of mine would like to know the answer to this too
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If you go out in public, that's on you 🤷♂️
No one's gonna accomodate your lack of opsec.
Bitcoiners don’t ask for permission.
Have a look yourself on Stacker.News.
Then make sure the saylor video isn’t posted at all then with that logic
Both can be true: dont violate others privacy and protect yourself.
Also:
You don’t have privacy in public get over it
might want to tell the live stream camera folks that, too
Just don’t film the crowd it’s quite simple. No one came to see crowd shots
I agree that the proper thing to do at events like these is for one to abstain from taking pictures or video without consent.
That said, and as others have said, your personal opsec is on you.
Or at least use an ai filter that gives everyone laser-eyes that glow super hard so you can't recognise them xD
You should absolutely assume that if you wear a bitcoin cap in the mall that you're risking being recognized as a bitcoiner.
Expecting people to look away to maintain your privacy is obviously ridiculous.
Expecting people to refrain from documenting it, is obviously a gamble you're taking.
Sure you can appeal to people to be classy, as you put it, and not index your face from a "private" (*cough* clearly practically public event despite the technicalities)
Your opsec is obviously your responsibility and if you want to make sure you're not photographed at a private/public event either
- hide your face
- don't be there
The equivalent of the request in your note is like asking the fed to not debase the usd, like, sure that would be great I guess, but im not counting on it.
Make me
Please! 🙏
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I would never expect privacy in a conference with thousands of people attending.
Good point, although it will never happen.
I've been thinking about this today, when I played the piano, sang funnily some terrible song and my friend recorded it and immediately threw it on some social media, tagging me.
I'm now thinking about splitting personalities tbh.
It's probably easier for a woman too. Makeup and a scrunchie can do great things.
thank god for those red lanyards that make you invisible to all the live stream cameras
This is fucking rich
To be in public is to be on the internet.
I would go to meetups and conferences but I dont want to wear masks lol
never thought I'd disagree with @calle to defend Darth, but this shit is IN HD ON YOUTUBE.
100%
One of the reasons I don't attend such events.
It's not only crowd shots that are uncool, neither. :(
Photos from @niftynei() 🇺🇸💸🧡 's bitcoin++ in Buenos Aires were also widely shared. Please, conference organizers, when hiring photographers or camera teams, tell them to be mindful of people who don't feel comfortable about this. We are a special crowd in that respect and as many said, they avoid conferences for this lack of consciousness.
If you know you are going to conferences then you should know cameras are going to be there, it’s also common sense man! We are all adults.
Im surprised they don't wear like a thin silicone mask or whatever o.o
You'd be surprised to learn the film crew had a drone recording the main stage audience all day at Bitcoin Atlantis.
If it was a private event on private land then those at fault were those taking original photos at the private event, and broadcasting them publicly. If they’re in the public domain it’s more of a copyright issue than a privacy one and if those images have been modified/used for literary and artistic purposes then they can fall under parody, criticism and news reporting fair dealing copyright.
So then it is to be considered a safety risk to be recognized that you own bitcoin? How long are we obligated to feel this way?
Go to a nudist beach and start taking photos of people. See how that turns out
it's like fiat, it's a safety risk to be recognized that you are loaded with cash.
Public events can implement rules too. I never said they didn't have rules. I just think it's retarded to go to any event in spaces that you don't own expecting to not end up on a camera. I don't think it's reasonable to say it's indecent to take photos at such events either unless the rules expressly prohibit it. Everyone went knowing the rules.
You don't have to like it, but I just don't think it's indecent to take a photo of a crowd if the rules allow it and everyone there is choosing to be there with their faces exposed.
This is something the production teams in these conferences should take into account beforehand. They are filming people in the audience without their consent and this material is made public afterwards. Somebody is going to post it sooner or later.
It's a ridiculous idea altogether. A cypherpunk just wouldn't go if they really didn't want cameras to see them there. I find it bizarre, unless there are specific rules that ban it and people do it anyway. If the rules allow it, you have no moral superiority. Everyone agreed by choosing to be there. I don't personally take pictures of anyone without asking, even in public, but I would never expect other people to be the same at a conference that allows it. I just wouldn't go or cover my face if it was that big of a deal.
Have a look at what?
call me naive, but why not?
💯💯💯💯💯💯
For sure
Also pretty sure feds are there walking around with hidden cameras and then using facial rec
You can't really expect privacy in public, even in a private event. But there's a line between fighting now and fighting later.
Whichever you choose, your face will be identified, catalogued, prosecuted, attacked and all of those other things authoritarian governments do to dissenters.
It's really just a matter of time and resources.
We had made these for Nostrasia, but I’m sure it didn’t stop some people.
The pictures this whole convo is about lol.
If you want privacy do what Satoshi did disappear man. I don’t agree with you! But we can agree to disagree 👍🏾🫡
You lose an element of privacy when you choose to be out in public places. You can be annonymous but you can't be private.
At Nostrica and Nostrasia you got special no photo badges and you got to sit/stand in a specific sector where no Livestream cameras would reach, and no crowd photos allowed... it's not that hard
We have no photos policy and people don’t get invited back who violate it and don’t remove. So it rarely gets violated and is kinda self enforcing.
Classy is not issuing commands to people. Doing it in all caps is even lower.
OPSEC MATTERS
DON'T POST CROWD SHOTS OF BITCOINERS ON CONFERENCES WHO DIDN'T GIVE YOU EXPLICIT CONSENT TO INDEX THEIR FACE ON THE INTERNET.
BE CLASSY. RESPECT PRIVACY. REMEMBER YOUR CYPHERPUNK MANNERS.
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