If your Nostr app's only goal is to appeal to people who are already on Nostr, you need to dream bigger. :ditto:
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Hard disagree.
Of the client I'm using doesn't appeal to me, I'm not using it.
Personal example: I utterly abhor tikkytakky. People who make a tikkytakky clone are, wholesale written off. I tend to not want to be around people addicted to tikkytakky, either.
So... Nope. I'm good with designing, testing, and using clients that appeal to me.
Hard agreed!
This is the only way!
If you're a developer - build for people outside of Nostr.
If you're a content creator - speak about niche/topics outside of Nostr.
Nostr needs to feel intuitive and inclusive to the common people in order to grow.
#facts
There's a saying that it's for the people who want it. As for me, I don't see why not.
Everyone wants a gif keyboard 🤭
Like this kind of thing? Or something else?
I didnt say people should use clients they dislike lol
The beauty of Nostr is that once you're here you have freedom. The hardest part is getting people here.
What if appealing to people on Nostr is in fact the bigger dream
🖐🎤
the people who are shrinking in numbers daily?
How do we appeal to people not on nostr?
if we knew, we'd have a million users :P
we think it's making social networking and social media fun again. making the internet fun again. no more boring. no more algos. no more ads. no more everything looking the same and essentially being the same, but with a different type of content.
We’re going after their taste buds with @Zap Cooking . 😋
Exactly this! Wonderful
Many different theories on this and we are still in the experimental phase IMO! Personally, I believe in the approach of different Nostr apps targeting specific communities based on features, aesthetics, UX, and content that appeal to those communities.
gotta figure out how to use my connections to give this a bump.
I humbly submit (twoweeks.) corkboards.me
The reasons for that are pretty well established, IMO.
Nostr doesn't generally provide the same addicting experience, there's very little to keep attention seeking whores around, and the current average nostrich is both too smart and too independent to put up with most influencer nonsense. (At least in my corner of the nostrverse.)
I am an advocate for slow growth over pushing for exponential adoption, mostly because the current infra is utter trash and while there is good development going on, the worst thing to happen would be a million people overloading poorly equipped relays.
hell yeah! 🔥
Is this on the web or native app?
It sounds like we are actually well aligned, then :) I agree infra matters and building things the right way, and that the typical influencer culture won't work here. And also I see bringing freedom tech, including Nostr, to the mainstream as our overarching goal. These go hand in hand 🤝
Sure, but that's never once happened and I suspect that it never will, though parts of it will be aped and used to put the finishing touches on the digital panopticon.
Thanks. That makes a ton of sense.
both! ditto.pub for web, "Ditto" in Zapstore for native on Android, + Google and iOS app stores coming soon!
Did you vibe code it?
Hey @MK Fain still can’t zap ⚡️ you
ooohhh I heard iOS ⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
I like it. I think NIP-06 can improve it and I want more clients to teach people how to backup complex keys by writing down 12 words.
ok i'l bite and dubble down;
They were not using Nostr to begin with, they were using some whatever app to make some whatever posts, maybe engaging with some whatever people but probably not getting any engagement at all and get bored and leave.
Meanwhile, there is this group that are using Nostr in the sense that they perhaps started out with the above, but then went to the article side of things, and the chat side of things, and the livestream side of things, and if they are a dev the ngit side of thing etc etc.
Give those people more to do with the full convenience of seamlessly moving from app to app, going from desktop to mobile and back again and making their experience broader and more varied.
Enhance the circlejerk,
Nostr
Nice! Is it NIP 29 communities or 72 or something else? I couldnt find the source code link on your website 🤔
I do also agree with encouraging more discovery of the larger Nostr app ecosystem within more "generalist" clients! That's very aligned with my vision atp
We are currently waiting on the Apple Gods to deem us worthy 🙇
Stop trying to appeal. Just do the thing and if it is good it will grow… why am I confident of this? Because the open architecture means that it cannot be monopolized and controlled so we need not fear a party suddenly raising a fence and slamming a door on a walled garden… just let it ride, do the thing. That is all that is required.
Let’s Pray 🙏 MK 🤣
I appreciate that vibe! I dont really think we're in an "if you build it they will come" era of the internet anymore given the giants we're up against, but I still get what you're saying. I think "stop trying to appeal *to everyone*" might be mroe how I think of it. I hope we are headed in the direction of apps that are highly opinionated and do their specific goal very well (and therefore have a target audience and niche) rather than trying to mass appeal (and therefore ending up boring and appealing to no one).
Nostr won’t win because of one breakthrough product. It’ll win when it quietly becomes the best backend for multiple unfair advantages.
The Protocol wins when it can enable things that were previously impossible or unfairly restricted.
Thank you for trying!
My sentiment is that if you do your thing, I.e. build what you and your circle want and need rather than trying to imagine what some mythical “user” or “group” might need, you will build great things with utility and as you are successful, so the the user group will grow…
I definitely do not want to advocate for doing nothing…
It's kind of like when people say scratch your own itch. Then the people who have the same itch might come.
Soon ™
Also, sign in is not working with Soapbox Signer extension FYI - let us know if its an issue on our end and we'll fix.
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I like what you guys are doing with Ditto for sure
You get it!! 🙏
You’re welcome 😇
A Snapchat alternative without any age verification for kids in legislated jurisdictions?
How to get non nostriches to find it, let alone value it
“Yes officer that’s him right there”
That is the hardest thing for sure!
That's cool. I haven't verified the words yet, but it looks good so far.
It works!
Yup :)
Right now, communities still live on our own DB layer. Part of that is product-related. I’m still shaping moderation, discovery, ranking, and overall community UX based on real usage. I’d rather map that carefully onto emerging standards than rush it and end up with a worse experience.
I’ve experimented with these NIPs already, but in practice it didn’t feel stable or smooth enough yet to build the core of the product on top of. The other part is technical. Relay support for these kinds of community/group flows is still uneven, and public infrastructure just isn’t reliable enough yet for me to make that the foundation of the product.
Once these NIPs are more mature, or once I can properly support this through my own relays and infrastructure, I absolutely want to move the community layer in that direction.
Substr is still early and I’m still figuring out core decisions around architecture, UX, moderation, and infrastructure in real time. Opening the code too early would create pressure to support contributors, explain unfinished decisions, and maintain a level of polish that the product itself hasn’t reached yet.
There’s also a more human side to it. This is still an early, personal project, and I’m not at the point where I feel ready to fully detach from it. 😂
The project will be open in the future, but right now my focus is getting the product and infrastructure to a place where I actually feel confident standing behind
Just build a product people want.
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lol okay so you just came to my post to promote your closed-source, centralized app? 😂
loving ditto. whats your prefered app rn?
That’s a stretch.
Substr is already mostly Nostr-native. The only part still on a DB is communities, because current NIPs + relay support within my reach aren’t solid enough yet.
It just went live and I’m still working through issues, which is also why it’s not open source yet. But apparently enough to make fun it.
Fixed
Yeah, I know it.
But there’s not just one way to build this. Same idea can exist in multiple forms with different choices and trade-offs.
Not sure why in disbelief.
Also the dens are giving an error at the moment
My agent that built it is sorry for his failure and has fixed it after I yelled at him. He's still in disbelief though.