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I'm interested to listen to this! From my research on treecoppicing (for animal fodder and firewood) I think I remember that many forests were treated as commons in England for centuries.

You asked him for examples of commons but I don't remember him giving any, except for Couchsurfing. I don't see how Couchsurfing qualifies since it was a private platform with governance rules entirely dictated by the owner of the website. Sure, there was a community there or something like that, but there are also communities on Facebook and no one says Facebook is a commons. I also don't understand how Cashu is an example of commons, is it because it's a protocol? Except for the fact that they expose a standardized HTTP API, the mints themselves are privately owned like any business. Unless you're trying to say the market in general is a commons.

oh! the commies are doing a rebrand. adorable 🙂

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The commons is not anti-market or anti-capitalist. It’s anyway of organizing a shared resource. You can and should do business and make money in a commons. That’s the weird thing where everyone thinks it’s some communist collectivist thing where everything is held in common. Nostr is a commons. We govern it together via the nips, relays, and clients. And not all of that software needs to be open source. Bitcoin is a commons.

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The commons isn’t communist. Bitcoin is a commons. And I know bitcoiners aren’t communist. But bitcoiners do not believe in using a currency held by the government or some shitcoin company. Bitcoin is governed by math, miners, the developers who make the libraries, clients, and users. If you try and commit blocks that don’t comply with the governance rules it’ll be rejected and you end up with forks like bitcoin cash. That’s the community protecting the bitcoin commons. And yeah it’s not communist. It’s a common resource useful to the participants but not owned or controlled by any of the members or the state.

lol. these commons you speak of… they sound very communal. 😜 relax. not all ideas in communism are bad. its just fun.

For folks who are confused about how I used the commons to describe what Bitcoin or Nostr are might find this podcast episode I did where David Bollier interviewed me. https://fountain.fm/episode/tTU3ohMY3Hsj89tbpeZ6 nostr:nevent1qqsga7pqh2uvrpxnvqgka2930z9593ny6flcpmwd25aagxgmlwxwfsspz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfdu2yemkh

There's a reason for the Tragedy

im with you. i just like messing with you. and truth be told, imo, we need more voluntary commons. they are places where amazing things happen.

What is this

Are cooperatives (food coops in the US for example) included in "the commons"?

It actually fixes capital, and Adam Smiths invisible hand (decisions benefit community as a whole), capital kept in check by the "Adam Smith Invisible Bitch Slap" if you exploit the commons rather than nurture it. Its actually pretty magical, with effective commons: soya lefties and Austrian econs both get desired outcome.

The trajectory for private capital is at a certain scale (evil international corp) can't compete with commons/coop, whereas private capital makes more sense for smaller scale (not evil international corp). Actual free markets of competing capital + large scale coops/commons/ globalised apparatus.

It's what happens when private capital misbehaves in something like nostr. I think it's my best quote.

it's hard work keeping commons free and open, but the overwhelming incentive for users to keep it open far outweighs that of the few to own the commons. Hegalian dialectic that, the overwhelming incentive for liberty as a whole 👌

Hard tho, you need the right tooling, such as public key crypto, bitcoin, nostr

They can be, or not. They’re orthogonal to the commons.

Yes, it's really really hard. But with right tooling, far out impossible ideas (like democracy) become feasible.

What would they look like?

Is the Comunism type of gouvernance also commons ?

The original concept of "tragedy of the commons" was developed by Hardin, and used the concepts from it to rationalize population control. The idea was challenged by Elinor Ostrom, which showed that the tragedy of the commons wasn't universal across many societies.

That's exactly where "commons" research was developed! [1] The application to digital spaces started when the library sciences recognized similar processes going on in their realm. [2] 1) https://www.beyondintractability.org/bksum/ostrom-governing 2) https://direct.mit.edu/books/edited-volume/3807/Understanding-Knowledge-as-a-CommonsFrom-Theory-to

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In Switzerland almost every city or village has an “Allmeind”. Most share profits with inhabitants if they have citizenship.

=========================== #2 🔥 Community Highlights =========================== 1. The latest episode of Revolution.social: Great discussion among Rabble and David Bollier nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzqak8r2hr5jglrk0wc37t59lz98x6gyf6pwaku6hpwakhvslznjh6qqsga7pqh2uvrpxnvqgka2930z9593ny6flcpmwd25aagxgmlwxwfss0ggzzy 2. Nostr is the best and neutral for everything nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzqcv9f9mt5xjn3wwla5d3m7d59etkqfusay65ckvfr0nmxufakcmuqqs26e8kqx5647lgsnkk4p28hg0prdz597507pd5pkd827fd5vcf4fgpu382u 3. Follow the new npub of Adam Soltys nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzpx9wfk5jd3r3cglaztg7hh2c8xag9ytm4fscuxzwpjv3dkfaea8hqqs2p6wd6j07a5lskxc6wq7n2veezr85l5hc0430u5jdewwendf8j6cx64mp8 4. Spend time with your family and loved ones to not have regrets in the future nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzq7nt3377zuv4tss5mmt7xhx8stxkmh0azsdtkxffcce0dy6gum6fqqsd4c4ehwfty2dzknsvmgs5z6s9ghzusa5zchj3hw5snh8g0kc59xqyvywyv 5. Let’s wish this pleb to get better and be able to fly again soon nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzqz335z45kw2ch285mf2a7lxewm47xsata4asj2h3xaw0gp9a0l3fqqsq2skpfm7zg6kuspn52pyzam954842adk6p5rye63czfphpnyzs2qvd4rke 6. Yes, Nostr has just a small scale for now. But the signal is high nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzp7k9zwsuahk3a278gp7p9xt5sh0ghwegah0va7spdqtler20gpa9qqswgwfjekvehh5veeyee73k34xe6uthcqfpydp9km2ng9sy8yarkgsh8eyfx 7. Let’s build the Nostr village together nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzq0mhp4ja8fmy48zuk5p6uy37vtk8tx9dqdwcxm32sy8nsaa8gkeyqqsq3rwgjsa2tanlpcauqlw7k5u8adnrm6uafl0wyf2f74vng8ysnwsz3mtaa 8. A question from the head creator to the Nostr community nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzqwlsccluhy6xxsr6l9a9uhhxf75g85g8a709tprjcn4e42h053vaqqsqqe0hd9e2y5mf7qffkfv4w4rxcv63rj458fqj9hn08cwrn23wnvgle47yg 9. A Nostrich is trying to boost his professional skills with his first photography book nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzpamkhnqjyud70878rdj4709lavag595lx0hpxd0ucrpzs2vsrkj2qydhwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtndv9nkjcmrd968jtnvd9mx2tcpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtcqyr6c3l9ccaa75e99jm3c4u90nmlpcy3rk792vmgv4p7zw5snrtzlq3z8n4y 10. This is the way to get healthy nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzp24fymw9dp6rad4c9v3062ve2r68c8juc96erjaetrvmn3cfp7r9qqsp9pwf5vzsjvgk9gq6hwtm2xwct4q74mvk28aedqryxu4zq7ms7rcj7jh2q 11. Lovely couple celebrates their first anniversary nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzpffs7lm4kchcvpes0r7smq3sy5yvjfe7eprdr9mxaaq5zl4cypjyqqsrhe350xmpfx6a5m8gft96s52fjyrgs8e9kjz9gwdx2qlcg97dv3g0w8cps 12. She knows the famous secret nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzpdetyj3uh3qshelr7nw0qyz5hxtyh23zqh2zq38h0nnkkczfu9r7qqstueacmd7kvzt3475fudzc835n5cuxggwnqwmwjwcqs3zj9vtq3eqqlph5s #community_nostr_recap

thanks for this episode. glad i listened to it in full. means a lot. really like david bollier. have listened to a lot of his episodes over the years. always down to listen to more. 🤙