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They are shitting on the constitution, no different than how the left did/does. The right is Authoritarian lunatics at this point the same as the left.
Student visas absolutely come with restrictions, this is false.
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Yes there are restrictions. But student visa holders rights to free speech and due process aren’t among those restrictions.
Can a student visa holder provide material support to a designated terrorist organization? Not under current US law. But they have the right to legal due process.
If you believe in freedom and are concerned about a government taking away your freedom then you should be concerned about other people’s freedom as well. Especially if happens without any way to appeal to the legal system. These students deserve the right to defend themselves before the law.
Japan has the same policy
Guests that participate in political protests get their visa revoked
if the govt doesn't respect 2A for these people, why would it respect 1A restrictions on its actions against them?
Because the courts have ruled student visa holders don’t have the right to bear arms but they do have the right to due process and freedom of speech.
And the courts are how we enforce and protect the constitution.
"Guests" or permanent residents?
They are using this specifically to target anyone who speaks out against Israel. No surprise
To me these are all symptoms of an out-of-control Executive branch. The fact that the Secretary of State has a button that says "revoke Visa", which is probably a holdover from the "War on Terror", needs to change... And that's something the legislature needs to do.
Thats some bullshit!
so I guess you're saying these protections are as strong as the paper they were printed on
it is a problem of a few bad apples ruining things for everyone else; the response being one of tribalism's greatest features and flaws.
Wait, putting Palentir in charge had some negatives… who knew?!?
You can just do things… wait not that.
Yeah totally. The unfortunate thing is, whether people understood the scope it or not, they opted to vote this in. I’m not the fan of any of how we got to where we are now, but until it’s accepted that we are where are (not you just people in general), then I think society is collectively spinning its wheels.
I think we have to shift largely now from “this is what ai is doing/look whose doing what best” to like - “AI is here, and we’ve a decade before xyz happens, so here’s how we do xyz” whether it’s educate or get people using their own ai. Right? Idk what else there is to do
"my ideas are so good I have to force others to live by them"
Everybody in the US is due legal rights based on the constitution, not the same rights as citizens but the courts have ruled many times that temporary visa holders in the US do have the right to legal due process and free speech.
The US political system prevents tyranny through a system of checks and balances between different branches of the government. The entire system was designed to prevent anybody executing king like powers in the executive. If i want rights for myself, especially the right to a day in court if i’m accused of violating the law, then i have to demand those rights be upheld for others.
@Angela well these foreign students didn’t get to vote for or against this. I’m less concerned about the fact they used AI than there’s a lack of first and fifth amendment protections.
FAFO
Are they here to study or to be social activists
bc if they’re here to study then there isn’t an issue
but if they’re here to disturb the peace then they should peace out ✌️
They sure didn’t. You’re right. I think I looked past that because I don’t foresee accountability re: 1st and 5th amendment rights anymore in government, just in communities and philanthropic projections. People are getting jailed and fired where I’m at so I can only imagine the broader mess ahead. Appreciate you and your perspective always 
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I am not concerned about lack of freedom of speech of non citizens.
We cannot have a nation if we allow non citizens to come in, protest, and try to destroy the country that they aren't citizens or a part of.
Just as I don't have this right in other places, they shouldn't here.
The supreme court is wrong about rights of non citizens for a hundred years now.
Would love to see a constitutional amendment calling this out we also need to go back to land owners being the only ones able to vote. Let's do that one while we are at it.
Because of bad court rulings over the decades. Mostly the last 100 years.
Your assumption that the non US citizens always have the constitutional rights as citizens is mistaken. For example, someone on a travel visa can’t go and buy a gun and exercise the right to keep and bear arms. They also can’t vote.
They do enjoy First Amendment rights, so they won’t be jailed for speaking against the government. But if you’re not a citizen or a permanent resident, you’re a guest, and the host (US Government) can revoke your invitation (visa) and ask you to leave.
I personally don’t agree with Trump deporting people that speak up against Israel, but legally he might be within his right as President to do this.
Their speech isn’t being shot down, they will just have to do it where they came from. Don’t agree in this instance, but unless you’re a citizen, your stay here is conditional and can be revoked at any time
Also apply to permanent residents even tho that status grants more perks than a visa would. Basically, unless you’re a citizen, the government can ask you to leave whenever they want.
the most hopeful news since the war started
Happy Eid ⭐⭐⭐
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I wonder how some prominent bitcoin influencers who are outspoken supporters of Trump feel about this. Looking at folks like
@HODL
@Marty Bent
@James LavishContext?
The article says "Jath Shao and other immigration attorneys view that students should seek legal counsel to help them reinstate their SEVIS or in a worse case, immigration attorneys can defend them if removal proceedings are brought against them." So it does appear there is a way for the students to contest it.
Inconvenient truths that won't be addressed.
Did you read the original post on this thread by
@rabble about deportations taking place based on what a student allegedly posts on social media with no contesting mechanism?
Did you want more context than that or miss the original post, genuine question?
Why would you assume I saw some random post?
Oh I see what’s happening I muted that rabble loser that’s why I’m not seeing whatever he posted
well, its the first post in the chain, usually ppl scroll up and read?
absolutely pissed by this
Read Spooner
speaking out against a genocidal apartheid regime is not disturbing the peace.
Isn’t the state department also who has the button that says “issue visa”? Are you saying someone else should do both, or that one agency should issue and another revokes?
Standard US procedure when giving visas: search all over your social media activity! That’s one of the reasons there are so many illegals in the U.S.! The streamline process to get a visa is ridiculously difficult! But it’s getting worst! Imagine if Elon Musk was now applying for his student visa to the U.S.?
Only a fool would fall for Non-citizens have any rights under the US constitution.
Certainly would not put it past them but I’m also HIGHLY skeptical of Time of India - up there with Epoch Times, NTD, etc. has anyone seen this covered anywhere else in the US news cycle?
We should probably eliminate at least 50% of student visas. I would start with the all the Chinese grad students myself as most don’t stay and thus it makes no sense to educate the competition
Or you could be aware that there’s massive strategic and cultural advantage to having foreign students coming to learn in your country. You get to sell them on your culture, language, model of working. If you believe in a nationalist competition between countries you what their best people to come study, work, and research in your country. You win the talent war.
This is what years of lax immigration policy gets you
People who came here to harass Americans or minority groups should never have been allowed into the country in the first place
Look at how bad things have got in the UK. Believe it or not, this is the moderate solution.
This wasn’t my experience in the physics dept I was in. They all spoke Chinese and thus all obviously stuck together. The vast majority left. The universities benefit by getting extra money. I didn’t see the other benefits you describe. We will be just fine without educating wealthy Chinese who simply want to return home
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C18-8-7-2/ALDE_00001262/
