#askNostr - what would be your number one Electric Vehicle choice be if you were to suppose a full societal collapse shit hit the fan scenario?
I know, I know, EVs are basically big-tech smartphones on wheels - but I'm starting from the premise that if there was little to no industrial capacity online, it would be comparatively easier to stockpile solar panels or wind turbines and batteries with longer shelf life than you could stockpile gasoline. I'm thinking about maintainable sovereignty with minimal dependencies.
Simply: for EV engines, you can stockpile energy _production_ (simple solar/wind tech). for ICE, you cannot. So you're stuck with the shelf-life of however much gas you can squirrel away.
A dumb, computer-less ICE is way more maintainable and reliable than a computerized EV, yes - but if you have nothing to pour into it to make it move, it's just a chunk of metal.
So all that said: If you had to choose the most maintainable, least cloud-dependent, most likely to run for the longest in a mad max scenario EV, which would it be? personally, I'm not convinced ANY of them would even turn on in a grid-down scenario, but I've never done the research.
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build your own
Ride a horse in that world
vinney...axkl
I could have been a lot more succinct....
> EV energy systems are more stockpilable and shelf-stable than ICE systems because they allow stockpiling productive energy capacity, whereas ICE systems only allow stockpiling consumable fuel.
Assume that to be true. Given that, which EV available on the USA market maximizes all of:
- the least dependent on cloud services for basic operation (this one is most important)
- most user-maintainable
- most user-customizeable
- long-term reliable
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this is not an answer to the question at hand
This is a real answer! Thank you!
It is. If you can't get gas or oil, where are you getting your solar kit from? If you get it prepared "just in case" then you already have your EV. Tracking etc...may not be a worry as society has collapsed.
A horse and cart would be a viable alternative
The point was that it's unclear to me that currently-produced EVs will even **move** if everything turned off. So I wanted to hear from people who have looked into the variation across current models in this "dependence" factor.
you're right - if you can't **currently** get gas you likely also can't **currently** source a bunch of solar kits. I was talking about a prep scenario. (and even so... i bet you could jury rig some wind turbines and a large array of scavenged car batteries - but you'd still need a motor to spin your car's wheels, and that's not going to be an ICE motor in that case)
Probably be able to find a good deal on one since it doesn't matter if it's running or not. Just need a decent body with little to no rust. The whole set up will probably cost around $25-27k. It's a little pricey but I think that is still cheaper then any EV on the market right now. Plus zero spyware.
I drive an old EV. I have wondered about charging it via wind turbine and/or solar. It isn't straightforward. You would need to generate a good amount and then run it through an inverter.
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DIY solar charging for an EV involves setting up solar panels, an inverter (to convert DC to AC), a charge controller (for battery health), and potentially a home battery for storage, connecting to a compatible EV wall charger to use the sun's energy to power your car, with systems often needing 8-12 panels for regular use. While basic setups can trickle charge using a "granny charger," a dedicated wallbox or smart charger offers better efficiency, especially with excess solar power, and some systems allow grid backup when needed.
I dont have an answer for you, but I like your reasoning 😛
To me these kinds of discussions always just illustrate what a LARP all this "SHTF" scenarios really are.
Because it's either something that's short-term, in which case the power is turned back on and there's no point in making a bunch of prep for a situation in which there's an extended blackout...
Or if things REALLY breakdown long-term, you're looking at a scenario where you can't get access to basic medical care, or even basic aspects of industrial production (wires, screws, etc) and you're just going back to the Stone age anyways no matter how much you've "prepped."
This is also why those discussions by billionaires, where they want to build their New Zealand "bug out compound", always end in ridiculous places like " how do I ensure that my helicopter pilot remains loyal to me? Do I hold his family hostage?" Etc etc
If it exists a hybrid diesel electric vehicle.
you're not wrong. and I'm no prepper
I gave an answer in your other thread, but a different answer would be any of the cheap Chinese imports you can get on places like aliexpress that aren't street legal right now. This mainly applies if you live somewhere with trails or something to make it useful without being street legal.
As far as I know it does not because the authorities don't want us to be that prepared for the collapse
I kinda am a prepper and your reasoning is definitely correct
Diesel is also good because you can make diesel from corn and stuff without crude oil
Gas is far worse than electric or diesel for post apocalyptic reliability
might also be a good way of thinking forward with sovereign driving, but yeah I agree... it's a snake chasing it's own tail at the end of the day it feels
A horse would be very valuable again, I’ll prolly go for that.
Same but with a cybertruck. Have both.
I can totally see the argument though of "I want an electric car that isn't going to be bricked with AWS goes down".... 😄
"sovereign driving" hmm....
True permissionless travel is the Bicycle:
View article →right... this was all i was asking lol. i had to couch it in all the other shit or people would just hang up on everything else.. and they did anyway, no surprise
I would absolutely love an antique electric car, anything made between 1850 and 1920
A Chinese company built one, it can also float and be used to navigate streams
