People who say “run your own relay” don’t know what they are talking about.

There's a lot of gaslighting. And then anyone who tries to make something different or call out issues gets shit on. @utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻 is a great example. I didn't like what he did with Wisp and I've given him playful shit about it, but there are people who genuinely think that their way is the only way and anything else is an attack on the user. The result is a thing built for relatively no one on the planet right now. I'm a proponent of options so people can flow into the UX and tradeoffs they want. You can't have that if no one is allowed to think differently.

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and let me know if you think it works for normies If you're using Amethyst that's literally the most technical client out there, besides nak

Yes it's possible, many notes didn't survive all the relays that have come and gone. I too am missing many notes. But any decentralized network will have this issue, at some point someone has to pay to store data

I don’t think paying is a problem. Personally, I wouldn’t mind paying a monthly fee for a relay where the operator is known and transparent... people like you, JB, Vito, and others who don’t hide behind anonymity. I like knowing who I’m trusting with my data and who is actually running the service. To me, that doesn’t feel more centralized, it feels more credible and accountable. I also think many “normies” would feel the same way. There’s a level of comfort in transparency that anonymity doesn’t always provide, especially when it comes to trust and data storage. In today’s world, people often associate anonymity with suspicion rather than trust. So for me, visible identity builds confidence, not the other way around.

Yes, but also I think probably 80% of all the value is in recent notes, which nostr does extremely reliably for free, it's a trade-off. I don't think losing some old notes is a deal breaker for most people

Its all how you personally see it... i see it a bit different... i think its important that past is recorded and not ereased... 🤷‍♀️✨️ Dont you think the structure of nostr isnt possible to improve to that point of everything to stand firmly? I think every problem has a solution...

There are relays you can pay for now that offer better assurances if this is important to you

run your relay citrine 😅

dude, #NDN at last.. when... we all pay for our internet lines already. who in the fucking rats ass ever came up with the idea of suddenly differentiating nodes on the edges that once upon a time we all were, and these days maybe even are increasingly again with more and more fibre lines... so create a fully integrated or plugin and modules based extendabe single piece of software already that integrates storing the bits caching and redistributing. skip the relay and server nonsense already, everbody can long ago be a relay and be a server. sigh. seriously. whe nurture hige datacenters and hyeprscalers to run your relays when you already have an ip address in this thing called internet and the whole idea was neutral and robust packet routing right from the start. tcp ip anonye? sigh

That’s why utxo built wisp. He’s trying to make the experience more newbie friendly

It's really not for none technical people

Ahahaha shame, everyone's trying their best