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Can’t wait till Core 30 comes out and the world doesn’t end.
Your propaganda and lies are pretty obvious.
BitcoinIsFuture
The Core propaganda line goes like this:
They don't know how spam will be increased with the change from 80 Bytes to 100 KB.
They don't know what is spam.
They don't know what is Bitcoin.
And they don't know what is The Internet
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Luke Dashjr
For years, there has been FUD that Bitcoin's blockchain could be criminalised by storing CSAM on it.
For years, the answer has always been that Bitcoin doesn't support data storage, and the offending content is not the blockchain itself, but the additional software used to transform the blockchain into CSAM.
By sanctioning data storage, Core 30 is eliminating that argument. There will no longer be any additional software required, your Bitcoin node itself will provide CSAM on demand, using a well-defined and officially supported format.
The very reason "CSAM on the chain" was FUD, is being _destroyed_ by Core 30. They are making it a _true_ accusation. No amount of obfuscation will change this fact.
This is not the _only_ reason to reject Core 30. But even if it was, it would _still_ be strong reason to do so.
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This FUD is going to age incredibly poorly.
We will be fun to see how many will upgrade to 30.
Time will tell
True, your FUD.
👆🏼
Ok Fed
Its nice to see the idea of consensus morphing into desire for capitulation. Very kinda tradition model for hummanity really
You're misinformed fool or just Bitcoin traitor rather.
No real Bitcoiner would propose attacks on network. Knots is winning rapifly as people see who you and some of core devs are.
It's not for optimization
It's to send a message
And I see you are receiving it
I love these cope posts by Lopp and other spam apologists. It shows the node runners revolt against core is working. #RunKnots
View quoted note →Remove the spam filter on your email, have fun reading though all those every day. Then go buy a massive new hard drive or server every year for your node. Then you can store all that spam data, so you catter to rich elites transaction fees. 🤦♂️
Nobody should trust a single word out of this shitcoiner Lopp (remember INX token). He shouldn't be let anywhere near bitcoin core. Your opinion is moot.
PoS dynamics.
It definitely won’t.
As core slips down the list of node software not many people will even know when core 31 is released.
It’s just software that people can run, or they can run the other guys.
If capitulation is set as the aim, the discourse is already tyrannical. Stewardship of a decentralized network demands humility; recognizing that resilience comes precisely from disagreement, heterogeneity of implementation, and persistence of minority views.
To frame dissenters as “misinformed fools” and set their eventual surrender as the intended outcome exposes a will to dominate, not to serve. That is maleficence, not stewardship. A true steward would welcome even “inefficient” or “redundant” nodes as expressions of sovereignty, diversity, and the right of each participant to weigh tradeoffs for themselves.
If your definition of success requires erasing opposition rather than integrating it into the fabric of the network, you’re not defending decentralization; you’re replacing it with centralization of narrative and authority. In that light, capitulation is not validation of truth but confession of defeat to power.
I am new to this so I apologize: Do you think large pools or relevant miners will implement their own filters to avoid risky content to be mined (as happened to BSV during 2019)? I guess they do it today anyway and BTC 2025 miners are more advanced than BSV 2019 miners.
The fool is the one who keeps going when everyone else saying stop.
First it was "what is a woman?" Now it's "what is spam?" Who are the fools?
View quoted note →Knots is the minority and I'll bet it remains the minority. Maybe you should stop.
Yes Lopp, we are fools for wanting to run an alternative you don’t agree with.
—You have to ask yourself why does he care so much? Resorting to insults…
It’s almost like he’s profiting from this spam in some way…
🤔
Oh yeah, hes an investor in Citria. A bitcoin rollup project.
https://x.com/i/grok/share/xRMStZ5KOK6aaMu5cWGX906Vu
View quoted note →He’s just a sellout. Hes an investor in Citrea, a bitcoin rollup project.
https://x.com/i/grok/share/xRMStZ5KOK6aaMu5cWGX906Vu
The debate is great for bitcoin. People still care about it. 💜🫂
Hope it lasts a long time.
“Misinformed fools”
You mean people that aren’t invested in Bitcoins rollups and dont stand to profit from spam?
https://x.com/i/grok/share/xRMStZ5KOK6aaMu5cWGX906Vu
Incentives drive everything 😌
As long as enough people run it to keep Knots from censoring transactions, I'm happy. It doesn't take much.
I think your idealistic libertarian arguments are getting in the way of practicality. Similar to this jewel:
So if I run core I keep a knots operator from censoring transactions?
This sounds like “I’m vaccinated but you need to get vaccinated or you’ll infect me!”
You’re gonna have to explain.
Sure. Knots users are motivated by their desire to censor transactions they don't like (which they call spam). Fine. So they run nodes that don't relay those transactions. If even a few people continue running open relays, like Core or Libre Relay, those transactions will still reach miners and get included in blocks.
Two things:
1. “Those transactions will still reach miners” - isn’t this the crux of the argument? That filters don’t work and they can be “routed around”, so if 0 users update to core 30 and/or run knots, the transactions will still get through?
2. Are core v29 users “motivated by their desire to censor transactions “?
Because they (and v28, v27, etc) just maintain the current “filters.”
1. Yes, the filters don't work, except to keep certain transactions off your local mempool.
2. Most users probably don't care. The OP_RETURN limit was an ineffective tool to discourage data storage. Hence its removal in 30.
1. Then why, to your original point, do “enough people need to run core to keep people from censoring transactions “?
This is not logical.
My point is the filters WOULD have some effect if virtually all nodes, including miners, enforced them. So when I said "enough people need to run core," I meant just a few will do, and those transactions will still get mined.
we always complain that politicians should not be able to invest in things that cause conflict of interests or inside trading. Why do we allow btc devs to do the same?
Well said
Lopp, what do you make of Mechanic's and Kratter's fear that CSAM on the blockchain opens bitcoin to attack from critics? If this is the case, even your investments in citrea would be harmed, no?
But then why does the filter “for my own local mempool” have any effect on mining? Even if it’s 100% of the nodes? How is that possible? This is a logical dead end for you.
Miners have mempools. If they are filtering, and building block templates from filtered transactions, filters work. See recent Ocean blocks.
So if 100% of the non-miner nodes use knots, and all the miners use core then there’s no censorship concerns, right?
So why are the core apologists berating me for my choice of software? They should only be convincing the miners to run core, since that’s all that matters
I don't understand why talking heads are pushing knots.. For clicks and views, or actually don't get that policy changes won't change consensus??
No one ever needs to “capitulate”.
To be blunt, this is dominance language - very strange to come from the mouth of a supposed Bitcoiner.
1. Individuals reserve the right to control what goes on in their mempool.
2. People can run forks like Knots indefinitely, it’s just a patched version of core.
The disregard for people not wanting their conscience violated is palpable.
View quoted note →Thanks for letting us know you're a dishonest CSAM enabler 😁😁😁. Keep running Knots and ignore clowns like this.
Ignore this guy. Run Knots.
View quoted note →I would like to point out that not all ppl who run knots do it because they believe opening up op_return is bad. Some ppl do it because they have been spooked by some core devs behaviours.
Some people switched to knots not bc of the change itself, but bc of the way core devs handled the whole discussion (arrogance, call to authority, technocracy, constant discredit of other party). They might be absolutely right on the change, but their public engagament has been horrible to say the least. Also their complete lack of self-reflection is staggering: "20% of the network is expressing dissatisfaction with us, well we surely have done absolutely nothing wrong and they must be all retards"). I think this is the biggest factor making ppl switch, core is harakiri itself big time with this behaviour
Yes and in addition:
BitcoinIsFuture
Citrea is the bad actor that started the Spam War. This is the root cause!
Lopp is investor in Citrea.
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BitcoinIsFuture
Citrea is the bad actor that started the Spam War. This is the root cause!
Lopp is investor in Citrea.
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Say something useful. What, specifically, do you disagree with?
At what threshold of node count are you expecting spam to stop propagating around the network?
The primary reason people run Knots is because THEY don’t want to relay and store what they consider spam in their mempool. Your take was dishonest (to no one’s surprise) because you’re making it seem like people running knots are doing so in an attempt to prevent OTHER people from relaying and storing spam in their mempool.
We don’t expect spam propagation to stop. We just don’t have an incentive or desire to be part of the problem.
Wow
Policies work. Why do you think ordinals and runes shitcoiners are scared?
Why do you think Mara spammers stopped taking sub 1sat/vByte transactions fees?
and yet you continue to propagate "spam" in mined blocks... curious...
I get it but if this is the motive he must be stupid. Destroying Bitcoin= Destroying his shitcoin.
Fast buck and pushing rest of humanity into shit? I HOPE NO
I don’t think that what he’s doing is going to destroy bitcoin.
I also don’t think he thinks it will destroy bitcoin.
Core 3.0 is simply a power grab to by a cabal of coders that are showing that what “they” want is more important than what the opposition wants.
The (knots) opposition wants to keep spam out and keep nodes cheap so anyone can run one on their phone for example.
Core is fighting tooth and nail to keep it because there’s lots of money to be made from this crap.
If these people are left to their own devices, then yes it is a threat to bitcoin.
Whats next?
Op_cat?
Jesus who the fuck knows what unintended consequences that will bring.
If node operators wish to actually steer what the miners are doing, they MUST reject blocks with which they disagree, thus refusing to pay miners for that work.
Miners DGAF about your whining on social media or your mempool virtue signaling 😘
Lopp the shitcoiner is manipulating again.
Known scammer 👆
There is no expectation that this would stop Mr Lopp……..
It’s simply that many do not want this change to the op return in V30……….
With the release of V30, you will find old core versions not upgrading as they have not done currently and you will have Knots continuing to grow………..
This KPI (type of node running) is being ignored in the V30 camp, and will result in loss of credibility down the line……..
Time will tell 😊
🙂
if a few guys using filters makes spammy miners have a 0.1% higher chance of orphan blocks, that's worth it to me. You can see how it irks them
No, believing your relay rules mitigate spam is delusional.
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