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Nuts
50.4% voted for it π¬
Poor Lugano peeps
They make it look close so no one will question it
one of the many elections that seem to be very close to 50/50 these days!
Sad.
Switzerland is doing weird things. They also voted in favour of public transport for 1 CHF a day flat fee for public transport in Zurich as one of the most expensive cities in the world. For socialists it sounds like free stuff but it never actually covers true costs. In some weird way it is a price control mechanism from Fidel Castro. Alerta, Alerta π¨
RIP Switzerland. My thoughts are with my beautiful friends in π¨π
Truth right here
What a sad day. SMH π€¦ββοΈ
Switzerland is lost.
Next stop: socialism
Double down! If not you who else. Youre a beast. LFG.
Wait, what? They bundled tax relief with digital id voting?
A digital Identification will be used to positively identify people who dissagree with their government and punish them into complience. Why can't people voting on these policies see the obvious?
We should now debate which is more insidious:
- Core v30
- Digital Identification (CBDC)
Why do they need this? What is the benefit to the population?
I'm pretty sure that this complete loss of privacy and mass surveillance of our private lives that they want to push is for our own goodβ¦
As I always say, 99% of people are stupid, so that's not really a surprise.
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View quoted note βeID can go bad really quickly. But if done right it can bring a lot of good.
How do you do it right? Strong privacy laws. Create laws that define sectors, government, finance, health, commerce, and disallow by laws sharing information between these sectors.
Add high compensation with no need to prove damage + poison apple laws and eID will be a force for good
Whatβs that saying about Turkeys and Christmas?
View quoted note βTalk about shooting yourself in the foot π«π¦Ά
Guys, you are still voting? =]><
I don't understand how this can be legally binding if less than half of the swiss population (9Mio.) even voted.
Anyways, truly sad news
Never underestimate the desire of the masses to be controlled by a higher authority ... they need a strong charismatic leader to resist them ... π
View quoted note βBye bye #Switzland π΅ #NOSTR #YESTR
#Swiss #DigitalID #CBDC #Surveillance #Slavery #SocialCredit #Centralization #Communism #Obey #Rekt #Gackt #Fucked #GFY #HFSP #WTF #WTFSTR
View quoted note βNecessary? Nothing is really necessary π we just like to be comfortable.
Just like Mises said, all action is aimed to remove discomfort. This eID can make the life easier. And the people who pushing eID are using this to convince people to adopt eID.
We can't convince people that the additional added value isn't worth the risk of government control. It's ha d for people to measure risk.
We can educate people regarding the importance of privacy. If people will push for stringer privacy laws, not only will eID become safe, we will gain greater economical freedom.
Why would anyone support tax relief for multinational corporations while workers taxes are being increased anyway?
Makes absolutely no sense that increasing taxes on workers to make up for giving tax relief to corporations would even be popular
Oh ok my mistake this is about Switzerland not USA lol
Itβs Swiss big cities that voted for e-ID, the rest of the country voted no
Thanks! Are you Swiss?
Turkeys voting for Christmas
This resonates
Sounds scary but I need more info to know
I beg to differ
Privacy needs to be fought for constantly despite the temptation and convenience etc of non privacy options
This Ben Franklin quite says it quite well:
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
I am not sure we differ that much.
Privacy is indeed something that needs to be fought for constantly. It is mostly a political battle regarding *laws* and it is fought using *philosophical* reasoning. Not technology.
Technology in itself is neutral. With the right legal framework, backed by the right philosophy, eID can be a force for good.
We should focus on spreading the correct philosophy and less trying to fight technology
With the right philosophy there will be less government. With less government there will be less opertunity for government to fuck things up
Just a reminder 3 out of 5 is enough.
I must admit I'm surprised.
Most of the time the Swiss seem to be well informed.
Another piece of weight on the scale to move inside the EU or move outside the EU π
Switzerland is the belly of the beast.
You're kidding me. They voted to enslave themselves.
lol, they got themselves done. In the UK at least weβve been petitioning against it hahah
#sourlaughs
voting is a psyop
I voted yes. Here is why:
We already rejected a proposal for an E-ID a couple years ago where the whole thing was run by a private company. Opponents and privacy advocacy groups had a long long list of complaints.
So what they did is they got all this groups on board and redesigned the whole thing. It is now run by fedpol, the gov police branch that already issues the normal ID and passport. It is implemented in a way that you only reveal information that is required. You can for example prove that you are over 18 without revealing any other information than just true/false. There is no tracking where or how you use it.
"but it will lead to unfree internet". Yeah that is already comming. Your gouvernments will force an E-ID on you without asking if the implementation is accepable. If they set the standard we will inevitability be forced to adopt the shit they are producing or outsource to google and apple. I don't want the garbage that comes out of your pseudo democracies.
So this is our only chance to get an E-ID that is as privacy respecting as possible.
Thanks for sharing.
I would not vote yes. And of course your choice is respected - free will.
To say that it's inevitable is to say that your government doesnt work for you. So how can you then say that you'll get the one you want in the first place by voting for it?
These things are not inevitable. The state wants you to think it is all powerful, but in reality, every action it takes is a reaction to the behaviors of it's population, or to external state actors. Their power is always tenuous and one angry buffalo can cause a stampede.
To ask a question asked below but not directed at you, how does a swiss person actually benefit from the e-id? Not how does it benefit from this version over the inevitable version, you already shared your thoughts on that, but how do you benefit from the existence of this system in Switzerland?
I don't think the government is working for me, but in Switzerland we have a lot of tools to course correct and stop the worse, or change things completely against their wishes.
The problem isn't the government in our case, but I'm pretty certain that age restrictions for adult content, games and even social media is actuallt popular in the wider population. This may not be apparentinf you suround yourself with libertarians or whatever who are completely detached from regular people.
As for what it can do for me? I think it will be an incredible tool for our direct democracy, as it will make digital signing of referendums and popular initiatives possible, which will significantly lower the cost to block unwanted changes by parliament. It also invreases accessability for government services for people with disabilities.
As for the promise that it is complete optional. we have the tools to hold them accountable. Ironically the E-ID even made those tools stronger.
Ya and your country just abducted 500 foreign humanitarians in international waters...
Oh and has murdered 20,000 kids so far, and starved 700,000.
Perspective is required.
