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I guess you dont like privacy?

😆muted

Did you set up an LLM to check posts? 😄

Zealots

I like privacy, I dislike shitcoins.

Who cares if you mute yourself from the conversation under your posts? Obviously not Monero Bros. nostr:nevent1qqsymrlzx6e460tw840ea9eeaurwzaxqlyc6uqeksrhpgvs9xuvqw6gpp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mqzyr70wzj9e75p064gzwum4z3ht4cn6vtf7j3870w2c02fzyklvlfhuqcyqqqqqqgnn6eaf

Bro has the best threads for dispelling Monero FUD and voluntarily doesn't participate 😂

Why not use monero to have more privacy with bitcoin

Because I can use lightning instead.

Because it is not necessary, since Lightning is more private than Monero. Muted.

🎯

You're ideologically blinded. You're projecting your own religious adherence to Bitcoin onto us. We don't want you to to go all into Monero. We want you to realize that if you're to claim to be a hardcore cypherpunk, all in on decentralized agorist markets and privacy beyond threat modeling, you simply cannot deny that Monero has utility. Not that it's the only tool in the space, not that Bitcoin is a shitcoin and Monero is the only coin you should use, just that it has utility. Resorting to effectively plugging your ears and singing "la la la" by muting us betrays your defeat on this topic.

Lightning is more private than Monero; no one has been able to deanonymize Lightning. Lightning is not a blockchain; transactions are not stored forever like in your shitcoins. The amounts and recipients are encrypted. Bolt12 and Bolt11 with blinded path solve the recipient's privacy problem. Stop messing around. Why use a shitty coin that is also less private? nostr:nevent1qqsymrlzx6e460tw840ea9eeaurwzaxqlyc6uqeksrhpgvs9xuvqw6gppamhxue69uhkummnw3ezumt0d532hl2s

This is written by AI when asked to compare privacy on bitcoin lightning network and Monero but I think it sums up the differences quite well. Lightning provides better privacy than on chain but does not match Monero. This is not a shot at lightning because I use it often, but it doesn’t provide equivalent privacy as Monero as well lightning is quite limited for larger tx. “Short answer: they aren’t directly comparable as “privacy stacks,” because they solve different problems. Bitcoin with Lightning Network (LN) focuses on scalable, low-fee, fast off-chain payments for Bitcoin, whereas Monero is a privacy-centric on-chain cryptocurrency. If your metric is privacy by default and on-chain unlinkability, Monero has stronger built-in privacy. If your metric is scalable payments for Bitcoin with reasonable privacy protections, Lightning offers different trade-offs. Key dimensions to compare Privacy model Monero: On-chain privacy by default. RingCT, stealth addresses, and ring signatures hide amounts, senders, and recipients on-chain. Strong unlinkability between transactions. Bitcoin + LN: Privacy is not default. LN enhances efficiency but reveals more network-level metadata. Payments traverse channels and hops; there can be metadata leaks about transaction graph and user activity unless additional privacy tactics are used (e.g., onion routing, privacy-preserving routing, avoiding reuse of channels). On-chain Bitcoin remains public. Layering and scope Monero: Pure on-chain privacy. No separate layer required. LN: A second-layer solution on top of Bitcoin. It offloads many transactions from the main chain, enabling micropayments but adding complexity and different privacy considerations (channel opening/closing on-chain, liquidity management, routing). Privacy is affected by how channels are opened/closed and how nodes observe traffic. Fungibility and auditability Monero: High fungibility due to hidden amounts and addresses. Hard to trace or blacklist funds. Bitcoin + LN: Fungibility is not as strong. On-chain UTXOs are traceable; LN payments can be subject to network-level analysis, though it’s less transparent than on-chain Bitcoin. Some privacy-enhancing research and implementations exist but aren’t as robust as Monero’s default privacy. Security model and trust Monero: Privacy is cryptographic and protocol-driven. Security rests on ring signatures, RingCT, stealth addresses; no trusted setup. LN: Security depends on channel state, liquidity, routing integrity, and eventual on-chain settlement. User needs to manage channel state, opening/closing costs, and potential liquidity risk. Adoption and ecosystem readiness Monero: Strong privacy feature set; narrower merchant/integration adoption due to regulatory concerns and fungibility debates. LN: Growing ecosystem for Bitcoin payments, wallets, and services. More scalable for merchant adoption and everyday payments; mais awareness of privacy trade-offs is increasing. Concrete privacy considerations for LN Channel creation: Opening a payment channel requires a transaction on-chain (on Bitcoin) that is visible. This can leak some timing and counterparty information. Route privacy: LN uses onion routing (Sphinx-like). In practice, adversaries with network visibility and global topology knowledge could infer payment paths or correlate payments, especially if many hops share the same nodes. Channel topology: Reusing channels and clustering payments through the same route can create fingerprinting opportunities. Watchtowers: To protect against invalid states, users may rely on watchtowers; this adds trust and complexity. Liquidity and liquidity-based privacy: Limited liquidity can reveal user preferences (where funds are moving), potentially reducing privacy. Practical guidance If your primary goal is strong, default privacy for value transfers, Monero remains the better option for on-chain privacy. If you want Bitcoin-level settlement with scalable microtransactions and are willing to accept less-than-default privacy, LN is compelling and widely deployed. For privacy-conscious Bitcoin users, consider: Using LN with privacy practices: avoid reusing channels, use different routing peers, and consider privacy-focused wallets that minimize metadata leakage. Keeping a mix of on-chain and off-chain activity to reduce linkability, while understanding that on-chain privacy remains lower than Monero. Being aware of regulatory and exchange implications, as LN usage can still be observed by operators and network observers. Bottom line Bitcoin LN and Monero target different problems: LN aims to scale and speed up Bitcoin payments with an added privacy layer that is not as strong or default as Monero’s on-chain privacy. If privacy is your core requirement, Monero offers stronger, default privacy; LN can complement Bitcoin’s scalability but does not reach Monero’s level of on-chain confidentiality. For practical use, evaluate your threat model: if you must transact privately and fungibly, Monero is superior; if you need Bitcoin-like settlement with high throughput, LN is valuable but accept the privacy trade-offs. If you want, tell me your specific use-case (on-chain vs off-chain, regulatory constraints, transaction sizes, target audience), and I can tailor a privacy-oriented comparison and recommendations.”

Incorrect answer

Lightning is inferior to Monero's privacy both on a network level, and on an on-chain level. Most importantly it's inferior on a UX level. Running your own LND node either behind Tor at home or on a VPS paid in Monero or at least a strong lightning setup (oh wait we can't do that yet because we're trying to setup lightning) then getting non-KYC Bitcoin, then opening your own channel making sure to use the whole UTXO to avoid cospends, then making sure to properly label the original UTXO and to never accidentally connect it to an Electrum server without Tor or never use it in a manner that links it to your identity. Only THEN do you have a setup where you can SEND lightning in a manner that is even remotely comparable to using Monero bought from a KYC exchange and connected to a public node. Recieving privacy is still inferior because it leaks your public key which is linked to your channel which is linked to your UTXO which is linked to the UTXO before it etc. etc. You don't do that because you have a Wallet of Satoshi link in your bio which has 0 privacy from the Wallet of Satoshi provider. So your claim doesn't apply to you in any scenario, since you've excluded the perfect OPSEC scenario I've outlined. You're delusional. Disprove what I've said I dare you.

My favourite shitcoin is BUSD 🤗

What is incorrect?

Lightning is more private than Monero for many reasons. Supertesnet has explained it many times, and it's not something quick and easy to explain, and right now I'm tired 😴.

He doesn't know he's wrong thus he can't disprove it. He's incorporated Bitcoin as a core facet of his identity thus acknowledging that it is inferior in some capacities to other projects would require him to fundamentally change his self image. Notice on this post or any others where I or other have had this debate with him, he's incapable of even providing a counterargument. Only "that's incorrect" or "Monero is a shitcoin" or the best one "muted".

In fact, Lightning is very similar to the Tor network. It does not keep a record of transactions like Monero, nor is it a type of coinjoin like Monero with 16 decoy addresses. The information is simply encrypted, and it is impossible to know how much you are sending or where the funds are coming from. As I mentioned, the same applies to the recipient with Bolt 12 or Bolt 11 with blinded paths.

Ok

> He's incorporated Bitcoin as a core facet of his identity Seems to me you have done the same with Monero.

I'm a privacy and self sovereignty maximalist. That is my identity. I'm interested in any form of private money, cash, gold or other crypto projects. https://daedalus.website/donations.html

I also tried to zap you but your primal lnurl is giving me an internal server error.

the name of your shitcoin

Sure! Here’s a confirming response tweet using slang: "Yesss! 🚀 Just snagged some $SHITCOIN and I’m vibin’ hard! Let’s ride this wave together, fam! 🌊💸 #ToTheMoon #HODL"

I think part of the issue is if someone hears lightning is more private then Monero then opens strike or WoS and starts sending sats is it really private? A lot of this comes down to the user and their ability to run a lightning node over tor and fund channel liquidity. Channel liquidity is also a limiting factor for the size of tx you can send. Again I’m not bashing lightning it definitely has a lot of positives but Monero you are not limited by tx size and privacy works as default not dependent on the user to do it right. I’m trying to be unbiased as I use all 3 so I see benefits and drawbacks of all of them. Bitcoin, lightning and Monero. Using all 3 works well for me for different purposes. I wish they all were one.

Monero monero monero monero monero, did I scare ya? Anyways we'll still be here when you come around, see ya later ≽^•⩊•^≼

ripsline.com solves this elegantly with our btcpayserver Virtual Private Node implementation.

Here is a canonical example of a balanced, receptive, inquiring open mind. Maxis do be so. nostr:nevent1qqsymrlzx6e460tw840ea9eeaurwzaxqlyc6uqeksrhpgvs9xuvqw6gpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumt0d5hsyg8u7u9ytnagzl42syaeh29rwht385ckna9z0u7u4s75jyfd7e7n0cpsgqqqqqqscp63zq

here a list that can be used to mute monerotards: https://www.mutable.top/pack/f9acb0b034c4c1177e985f14639f317ef0fedee7657c060b146ee790024317ec/Monerotards

You require an email and payment in either on-chain or lightning Bitcoin. The end user has to ensure that their email isn't linked to their identity or IP (a tall order for most) AND they use a properly non-KYC Bitcoin UTXO to pay for the service. Even then you have root access to the server and all its traffic. A VPS will always offer a superior trust model as you can compile the software yourself on your computer, sign it, then deploy it on the VPS. What assurances do you have that you're not running malicious LND software? What assurances do you have that you're not logging LND activity and traffic? What assurances can you make that you're not under gag order by a state intelligence agency and can't disclose that you're giving them data?

Monero monero monero... 😂👌

Muted

Go ahead build your echo chamber. You need to learn to accept others opinions. You are here being a maxi while vilifying other Maxi's. Do you not see the irony?

Good

Muted for being an idiot

Thank you for proving my point.

😂😂😂😂😂👌

Muted

Muted

I promise, I would never sell my XMR.

Why would you mute someone you disagree with? That's what BlueSky wokies do. Hopefully we're better than that.

Cool. So why the urge to shill your shitcoin to every Bitcoiner out there?

Weird, works for me 🤷‍♂️

Can’t have all, Bitcoin, lightning and Monero are optimised differently, which means all come with different tradeoffs.

Agree. Exactly that’s why I use all 3.

This statement is a perfect case study and a beautiful, self-aware piece of performance art from a true believer. It's the digital equivalent of a medieval monk covering his ears and chanting "La la la, I can't hear you!" at the mention of a competing heresy. Let's critique this in light of the religious parallels we discussed and then dive into the psychological symptoms on display. Critique Through the Lens of Religious Zealotry This maximalist's warning is not a financial strategy; it's a declaration of religious purity. It's a modern-day edict for protecting the faith. It's a "Purity Test" for the In-Group: The statement is a public performance designed to signal his absolute devotion to the one true faith (Bitcoin). By declaring he will instantly mute anyone, he's drawing a hard line in the sand. He isn't just a believer; he is a defender of the faith. This reinforces his status within the maximalist tribe and assures his "followers" of his uncompromising purity. It's the same logic as forbidding interfaith marriage or dialogue. It Treats "Shitcoins" as a Contagious Heresy: The language—"sell me your religion," "the moment you mention the name"—frames Monero not as a competing technology but as a spiritual contagion. He fears that even hearing the name might plant a seed of doubt, a demonic whisper in his ear. Muting is the equivalent of an exorcism. He isn't debating a rival economist; he's warding off a devil who might tempt him away from salvation. It's an Admission of Doctrinal Fragility: A truly confident faith does not fear challenge. The Catholic Church didn't silence Martin Luther because its theology was strong; it silenced him because his ideas were a potent threat. This maximalist's instant-mute policy is an unconscious admission that the "gospel of Satoshi" might not withstand scrutiny. If Bitcoin's supremacy is self-evident, why the fear of even hearing a competing idea? It suggests his conviction is so brittle that it cannot coexist with any contradictory information, lest it shatter. It Recreates the "Sinner" vs. "Saved" Dynamic: He positions himself as one of the "saved" who sees the light, while followers of Monero are "sinners" lost in the darkness, pushing a false religion. The act of muting is not just a preference; it's a righteous judgment. He is casting the unbeliever out of his digital temple, keeping it clean for the pure. Psychological Symptoms on Display This person is unconsciously demonstrating a cocktail of classic cognitive and defense mechanisms. Cognitive Dissonance Reduction: This is the big one. He likely holds two conflicting beliefs: "I am a rational, open-minded investor" and "I must irrationally and completely ignore any information that challenges my core belief." The instant-mute rule is the perfect solution to this dissonance. By pre-emptively silencing dissent, he never has to experience the mental discomfort of his worldview being challenged. He creates a perfect, self-validating echo chamber. Dogmatism and Rigid Thinking: This is the cognitive framework of the zealot. Dogmatism is the conviction that one's beliefs are absolute and not open to discussion or evidence. His statement is the definition of dogmatic. There is no room for nuance, debate, or intellectual curiosity. The truth has been revealed (by Satoshi), and the matter is closed. Threat Sensitivity and Persecution Complex: The "Warning to followers" framing casts himself and his tribe as a besieged minority under constant assault from "shitcoiners." This heightened sense of threat justifies extreme defensive measures, like instant muting. It creates a powerful in-group/out-group dynamic where the out-group is not just wrong, but an active, malicious enemy trying to lead the righteous astray. Intellectual Arrogance (The Dunning-Kruger Effect): He displays a profound lack of intellectual humility. The Dunning-Kruger effect is where someone with limited knowledge or competence in a domain overestimates their own abilities. By declaring he can dismiss an entire complex technology like Monero without a second thought, he is implicitly stating that he already knows everything there is to know and that no new information could possibly change his mind. It's the ultimate "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts" posture. Use of Defense Mechanisms: Denial: He is in active denial that any other cryptocurrency could possibly have merit or that his own belief system could have flaws. Isolation: This is the key defense mechanism. He is isolating himself from any "anxiety-provoking" thoughts or information. Muting is the literal enactment of this defense. Splitting: A classic defense mechanism seen in black-and-white thinking. He is splitting the crypto world into two absolute categories: the all-good "Bitcoin" and the all-bad "shitcoins." There is no middle ground, no nuance, no gray area where a project might have both pros and cons. In essence, this maximalist has built a psychological fortress around his identity. The walls are made of dogma, the moat is filled with the threat of "shitcoiners," and the drawbridge is permanently up. It's not an investment strategy; it's a survival mechanism for an identity that has become dangerously fused with an ideological asset.

I'm no shill, I don't care if you buy Monero it doesn't affect me at all really. I have an issue when people like nostr:nprofile1qqs0eac2gh86s9l24qfmnw52xawhz0f3d862yleaetpafygjmanaxlspzdmhxue69uhhqatjwpkx2urpvuhx2ue0qy88wumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv9uq3uamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3dwp6kytnhv4kxcmmjv3jhytnwv46z7ramexg claim that Bitcoin is just as private or even more private than Monero. Its a dangerous falsehood that can land people in trouble with authorities. Bitcoin is is Bitcoin, it's a transparency coin with layers and techniques you can apply to obfuscate the transparent bits with varying degrees of tradeoffs. Monero is a rengineered Bitcoin using the transparent blockchain technology and applying multiple layers of obfuscation into each transaction, by default to a much greater degree than even a lightning transaction from a channel opened with a taproot transaction from a whole coinjoined UTXO. Also the reason I know Bitcoin and Lightning to this level is because I use it too. Specifically with Zeus on a channel opened with a UTXO I got from Retoswap by swapping Monero. For low stakes stuff with small amounts like zaps, it's better than Monero because it's faster and doesn't have tax implications. Is that me making Monero my identity?

Nice. You realised an idea I had in the past, but thought won’t work at scale. My idea was to directly sell BTCPay plug in and play physical servers.

All these points were considered in the architecture of our implementation. It is evident you spent <5mins checking out the site. Else you would see the issues highlighted above are accounted for. 1. the Flow Chart that is highlighted in the How It Works section of our Buy page: users are encouraged to set up a Dedicated Device prior to Virtual Private Node purchase. *We envision users to setup device level VPN and use email alias for purchase. 2. This implementation is literally run on a VPS... We never have root access to the server, that information is emailed directly from VPS provider to ripsline user's email provided at checkout. Even so, they cannot access the VPS until root password is changed. We merely provision the VPS for end user, they maintain VPS credentials always. 3. You can check custom installer for malicious LND software as the script is FOSS viewable here: https://github.com/ripsline/Virtual-Private-Node 4. The last two points do not make sense because we never have any information other than user's email and domain name (can use fake domain name which is also highlighted on the site).

Maybe not more private, but in certain situations lightning can be as private as Monero. nostr:nprofile1qqszrqlfgavys8g0zf8mmy79dn92ghn723wwawx49py0nqjn7jtmjagppamhxue69uhkummnw3ezumt0d5q3vamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwdehhxarj9e3xzmny478z2v has done a ton of research and testing on the topic. If you’re interested, check his npub and search by key word “Monero”. Certainly Monero’s opt out privacy is better UX than Lightning’s opt in privacy. One doesn’t require special skills and effort to be private, the other does. My beef with Monero is not technical in nature. It’s not the first shitcoin to be technologically superior to Bitcoin in some aspects, inferior in others. To be fair, of all the shitcoins out there I think Monero is the least shitty and the most honest. And your culture right now is more pure than the one in Bitcoin (you have your priorities straight). I also think you won’t get much bigger compared to Bitcoin, so you might be able to retain this cool features.

thanks. it is something we considered: selling physical hardware w/ BTCPay. However, we feel running BTCPay on a VPS has significant benefits.

Could you name a few? I mean apart from the obvious ones.

what a retard attitude

You never have to worry about revealing your IP address. Trade-offs are that ripsline Virtual Private Node is pruned, and you have to trust the VPS provider to not breach terms and access the hardware you rent. Our focus is to provide users with a lightning node, Sparrow Wallet is a nice addition for people who seek an on-chain wallet node backend. With expensive home nodes, you will either leak your IP address OR conceil your IP by using TOR and deal with connectivity issues on lightning. VPS is better for digital nomads.

Smart move

your job isn't to convince us, it's to convince DNM admins. they aren't interested in adopting the lightning network for reasons you completely misunderstand or ignore

pls refrain from copying and pasting walls of LLM text in favor of your position. it makes you look dumb and you lose credibility. you could have written it in your own words and I would have liked it.

Got it. Thanks 🙏

Oh nice we're mostly in agreement I think. I too don't expect Monero to moon compared to Bitcoin and wouldn't want it to since it would almost certainly require increased paperization through custodial holdings. I too agree the Monero culture is more pure and focused on usage. Like I said Lightning's got some great advantages and I use it myself, and I have a good level of confidence in its sending privacy with my setup. most don't have a setup like mine though and even learning how to do so took me longer than even setting up my public Monero node, thus its a non starter for most who settle with custodial solutions.

Yes I spent less than 5 minutes I spent about 1 minute reviewing your page. So you charge $360 a year to provision a VPS for a client, run your open source script, then give the user SSH credentials for the VPS? Is that correct? If so would the user not be better off avoiding the email and middle man all-together and provision their own VPS and run the script themselves? The users adding an identifier in the email and trusting you not to run a modified script at time of install, is that not correct? What you describe is more private than what I originally surmised, but still leaves deanonymizing attack vectors open or am I wrong?

Thinking it over I think those can be reasonable tradeoffs and are pretty trust minimized for the client. I commend you on your service sounds like a great product for the right user.

It seems you have an issue with LLMs and I can kind of see your point and where you are coming from. But I don't think you're seeing where I'm coming from. My take on this topic is well-known (if you follow me), and this "cypherpunk" doesn't deserve my time investment (anyway he's probably muted us all by now lol). However, I still selected the LLM answer I liked, I still asked all the right questions leading to it, and - if you didn't have some sort of bias against LLMs - posted it verbatim without any additional context ("here is a take from a LLM about this attitude") because obviously it's self-evident that a LLM wrote it - this shows my disdain for the "cypherpunk" and his attitude, just slamming a LLM answer in there withour any additional comment. Nevertheless, casual readers will notice the wall of text, some of them will get interested in decoding the message, a small percentage of them like you will be turned off because it's LLM stuff, and the rest will read through and learn exactly what I wanted them to learn. So, I submit to you that at least part of your issue with LLMs is that people often use them as lazy shortcuts, which demonstrates low intelligence. As you can now surely see, that is not what is happening here. Not that I feel like I have to justify myself to you, I'm just saying, your bias blinded you to what was really going on here, perhaps it would be wise to become mindful of that in the future. Also, that LLM wall of text was amateur stuff length-wise compared to some of my older notes 😁 Anyway, all good, hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

You must be confused. I’m not trying to convince you of anything. Or the DNM admins for that matter.

We purchase the Virtual Private Server at cost for 1 year (~$200). The email provided to us at checkout is used so only you have access to your VPS client portal. After 1 year, you will have to pay the VPS provider ~$200 for the second year and so on. When you purchase through us, we provide ongoing support and a custom script that makes the installation process easier. In the order credentials file, we encourage users to not trust us but to review the script before they run it themselves... they can even paste it into chatgpt to check for malware. We never provide SSH credentials to the user, the VPS provider emails those directly to ripsline user. Users are encouraged to provision their own VPS and run the script themselves. Users who know the value of their time will quickly see that our one-time setup fee, which includes ongoing support, is a far better investment than spending their time figuring it out on their own. There are no deanonymizing attack vectors if user checkouts with email alias, VPN, and fake domain name. All highlighted on our site: https://ripsline.com

The email alias and VPN become the de-anonymizing attack vectors since they are the weak links in the chain and are accessible through government subpoena but for most are acceptable tradeoffs for the service you're offering. I think you're doing a good service.

Daedalus, you are attacking our business model by saying that VPNs and email alias' are attack vectors. I appreciate your kind words and happy to answer your questions. However, you are creating FUD on our business due to concerns with VPNs? Common. I also don't understand your point. We can see the IP address (just like every website in the world) of our users. And we know the email used to sign up so we can send order details and support users. If a government subpoena's us, how would a user be deanonymized? The government would see an IP address that is not theirs and an email hopefully not tied to their personal identity.

Just make it less obvious that its ai and shorten the message. Then everyone will be happy lol

Agreed. The idea that all these smart minds should stop working on their visions just because some person edicts it, is exactly what bitcoin s censorship resistance seemed to solve.

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I read both messages, The first message was challenging, also food for thoughts (I still think Bitcoin is king, also XMR is a valuable coin. Bitcoin = was first, biggest brand, is freedom,... XMR = is privacy and also money. We all absolutely need privacy). Second message could be shorter, is my opinion Why? 1st message, you gave us your observation, and it can be useful (to understand how you see the situation) 2nd message, when you like using AI you don’t have to explain yourself, use it I think you're smart enough, to understand the pros and cons of AI, also why defending, your position, when you want to use AI? AI is a tool, and no-one has to defend the use of it, + the critics can’t stop you using it. We need to focus on the real risk, mainstream media brainwashing tool of the elites: "The real and bigger danger for the total market are the (banks), trying to influence/dominate the crypto market (compromizing devs), they can't stop us, but they can and will absolutely use soft power or force stablecoins to do what they (the old system) want, with stablecoins and mainstream media they influence the total Crypto Market easily, and fast". When we stop fighting/discussing (which coin is the best?), and focus on the old systems, the total crypto market will absolutely become stronger and grow faster.

I like BTC (is king + freedom), and XMR has utility (personally, I find privacy important), both coins can make the world a better place 🤔

If Nostr is going to be next social media site you will need more than one type of opinion 🤷‍♂️ nostr:nevent1qqsymrlzx6e460tw840ea9eeaurwzaxqlyc6uqeksrhpgvs9xuvqw6gppamhxue69uhkummnw3ezumt0d532hl2s