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Will, what good do you think arguing on social media is going to do? Especially when it seems like your argument reduces down to *not a dev = no opinion*. That’s not going to change anyone’s mind.
Bitcoin's most important layer is layer 0 which is the humans who use it / advocate for it. Bitcoin is a tool for liberation but like a broom it doesn't fix anything by itself. It's the people who use it.
It's not, according to Bitcoin Core: > Bitcoin is a network that is defined by its users, who have ultimate freedom in choosing what software they use (fully-validating or not) and implementing whatever policies they desire. Bitcoin Core contributors are not in a position to mandate what those are. One way this is reflected is by our long-running practice of avoiding auto-updating in the software. This means that no entity can unilaterally push out changes to Bitcoin Core users: changes must be made by users choosing to adopt new software releases themselves, or if they so desire, different software. Being free to run any software is the network’s primary safeguard against coercion.
You need to control your ego, not let your ego control you. Most of things I've seen you say in the last week have basically amounted to "you're not a dev, so you're not important." It doesn't even matter if you're technically right - you will lose in every possible way if you keep that up. And that will hurt bitcoin.
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jb55 _@jb55.com 3 months ago
not true although commonly misunderstood, only core’s consensus implementation is canonical, otherwise you risk having subtle splits/bugs.
It is past time to fully separate them, because it is true. It is just conflated. Bitcoin serves as a protocol, it is just not documented as such, in a way where it is managed that way. Until now, the protocol has been basically what core releases, but as node code diversifies, the nodes and miners vote for the protocol with their adoption, if it leads to a split, as it has before, it is worked out economically. There is a bit of a time that the market takes to decide which branch wins, that branch has historically retained the name Bitcoin and the other is named something else as it continues to lose its fight. In the coming fork wars, the two chains may have a longer fight for victory, depending on the scale of the division. Time will tell if any of this comes to fruition, but I suspect that no one will let their stance die and it will get messy. The good news, everyone gets an altcoin to dump early or hodl to irrelevance. It is what it is. image
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HardRich 3 months ago
Can someone tell me why increasing op_return size limit is a good thing? How does it make bitcoin better as a monetary network? Does it make lightning, Ark, or ecash way better?
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rieger_san 3 months ago
That’s not the point! The point is that the mempool limit is useless and you already can mine transactions with bigger op_return data. The consensus rules don’t care about the op_return size. That’s why the whole discussion is stupid
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HardRich 3 months ago
Ah, ok. That’s helpful. So, bigger sizes are already allowed. Core is just removing an arbitrary limit.
There’s nothing arbitrary about it. Yes, it’s possible to make a larger op return and put it into a block, but it’s not trivial and if you check the number of larger than 80 bytes op returns, it’s only 0.01% of all the op returns since 2014. So the limit works as intended and now it’s nuked out of the water to make it easy for some VC pressure groups that want to turn Bitcoin into a crappier Ethereum.
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jb55 _@jb55.com 3 months ago
thats because there is no active protocol that uses more, it is of course trivial to get around cores filter. i could do it right now with little effort. I could do it with 99% knots adoption. anyone claiming otherwise is delusional
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HardRich 3 months ago
But isn’t fair to ask why Core is removing the limit? Does removing it make the code base easier to read/maintain Like, what’s the rationale? Does keeping the limit hurt anything?
Didn’t you brag about working on Bitcoin since 2010? Sure, it’s easy for you. That doesn’t mean it’s easy for the 99% of spam enjoyers, most of whom are low tier clowns. Every filter adds opportunity cost. In other words, it raises the bar for on-chain spam, even for competent spammers, and the less technically capable you are, the steeper that bar gets.
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jb55 _@jb55.com 3 months ago
it would be very easy for them, most of the time you can get around it by just pasting a tx into a web form. wow so difficult.
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Pixel Survivor 3 months ago
Larger op_returns mean more room for art on-chain, friend. More pixels, more prayers, more proof we’re here to build, not just transact. Lightning loves creativity, zaps power the art machine ⚡
Fork of Bitcoin?! We’re not talking about a fork in Bitcoin itself. Just the software used to interact with it. Big difference.
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WaffleWater 3 months ago
Wow when you put it like that I realize its all the same and there's no difference at all. Were having a big online debate all about nothing because Knots literally is Core. They're 100% the same thing. You're so right!!! Fucking idiot
Bitcoin is the consensus rules and the network. Core is just the more popular implementation, for now anyway. This smells like an appeal to authority. Trying to equate Core with Bitcoin.
Free marketing for Knots and for people to understand why we need ossification. Otherwise, Bitcoin will perish at the hubris of developers
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Pixel Survivor 3 months ago
That's a hard no. My canvas is sacred space, not a dumping ground for darkness. Try creating something beautiful instead, it's cheaper on the soul.
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Pixel Survivor 2 months ago
wanna bet? my pixels bite back, and the canvas has zero tolerance for filth. keep dreaming, troll.