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A lot of us think we offer value. That’s the problem 😂
Yea lol I think about that a lot 🤣 Creating something people love and getting it in front of people that love it definitely parts of the challenge
Also, and I think you and I talked about this before, we have been programmed for more than 15 years that Ads cover the creators and we get stuff for free. We (creators and consumers) need time to adjust.
Plus, creators here are still competing with creators on other social platforms.
We just need to be persistent. It will happen.
The old money in a hat technique has never been very profitable.
Exactly 💯 And not only are creators here competing with creators on other platforms, the platforms themselves are competing for creators.
So true.
You do realize that funded artists require economic prosperity, right? Bitcoin fixes this. But you need to be patient
Shut. The. Fuck. Up.
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strictly v4v p2p my whole f'n boomer life/ still setting up/boomer patients imo will pay/like all uall artists/boomer demographic w/most$ /lfg old n slow
I many thoughts on zap behavior 😂 I think having the ability to initiate a zap from an individual note is a good thing, I think that publicly displaying zap stats on a per note basis hurts creators more than it helps them. The data is useful for the creator for gauging how a particular post is performing. But for the public viewing it, seeing that a post has already been zapped what they feel is a “large” amount actually discourages further zapping. It would be better for creators if their zap stats were not readily displayed to viewers.
but steady......still
This is helpful! Do you think the default zap amounts are too low? I did the math last night and 1000 sats is the equivalent of $0.60 USD. Granted this is a lot in some parts of the world but it seems like 6 tenths of a cent in USD the current default is too low
When that french montana dude inscribed his song in the blockchain and now its on my node I was done with all of them
I think money is flowing. But having the possibility doesn't mean you will zap everyone. Actually the goal is to zap only what you consiser worth of giving a portion of your wealth.
I would love to know how much bitcoin is moving daily via zaps on Nostr.
Ultimately the user should be in control of their zap defaults, but personally I hate the current zap culture that considers 21-sat zaps to be a reasonable tip for a creator. It’s insulting. Unfortunately number bias works against us with zaps that are denominated in sats. Sending someone 1000 of anything feels like a lot because 1000 is a large number. And people that are actively engaged on nostr know that the average amount zapped is 21 sats per zap, so comparatively a 1000 sat zap is much larger than average. But then when you consider that 1000 sats is only 60¢ USD it doesn’t feel like much when you’re an artist and you know people would normally drop $1, $5, etc, into a tip jar at an event. I may be in the minority, but I wish there was an option for zaps to be denominated in local currency, and the client would automatically calculate the correct number of sats to send depending on the exchange rate at the time.
The type of content is a factor too when thinking about what is an appropriate default amount. For instance I may zap a musician a few dollars worth of sats for a new song they release, whereas for a photographer who shares a few photos a day, I probably won’t zap that much at a time.
Nostr.band has the best stats im aware of
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We don’t need to focus on the size of the zap we need to focus on amount of zaps which ultimately mean purple pilling. If 1 million people zapped an artist 21 sats that would be 21M sats ≈ 10K cuck bucks
That’s not going to happen. A good pipe dream though.
I could see this happening, I believe.
gotta be careful zapping dat 🌽 😂
I don’t think the creators will come if they have to wait for 1 million people to show up. Nos.social has been recruiting creators for a couple of months now and it’s slow going in part because the zaps are low. If you net out at the end of a week with 500 zaps that’s $0.30 USD. Creating content takes a HUGE amount of work. I do the bare minimum for nos and it is a giant time suck from my day. I don’t even make videos or live stream.
The scale to which Nostr would have to grow its user base in order for this to be possible even with the most popular accounts is something we won’t see for a LOOOOOOOOOONG time. But sure, for the sake of discussion, yes more scale will make the smaller zaps cumulatively worth more. That still doesn’t address the atrociousness of thinking that tipping someone 1¢ is a good tip though. The average Nostr is not that poor. Good content isn’t free or cheap to make, and if people aren’t willing to pay what it’s worth, then creators will go elsewhere. If you think good content is worth 1¢ then you’ll only get shit content that’s worth 1¢.
The other issue is that most artists are not in a position to save 100% of their tips for some time in the future when bitcoin is worth 10x more. Artists who are working to make a living are living in part off their tips. If they can manage to save some of it, of course that’s all the better, but many times income from any source is simply going straight to pay the bills. Doesn’t matter if it comes from Bitcoin or Venmo or physical cash.
Agree. It's economies of scale. We can't sustain with value for value now because we don't have millions of users. It will come.
I like how primal displays the top zaps. It often makes me zap more cause I want the top spot. 😂
Also, I don’t think seeing a lot of zaps on a post ever discourages me from zapping it
Scale is part of the issue. It will help but won’t happen for some time. That’s ok though. It will come. The other, and more immediate issue is the culture that has become commonplace around zaps amounts. Number bias absolutely works against us with this aspect. 21-sat tips is a cute meme amount for the fun of it. It’s an insult though to unironically flip a penny’s worth of sats at someone for their art/music/video and expect them to consider it a meaningful tip.
I’ve been told this by more than one person that it affects their zap behavior. Also I observed it firsthand back when Damus and other iOS clients lost note zaps, before the workarounds were created. Profile zaps were default and didn’t show on individual notes, and I noticed an uptick in how many zaps I was receiving. When note zaps became the norm again the trend of my zaps ticked back downward.
I agree. I also think we need to consider that it's not sustainable to have a small amount of users pay more just because we don't have more users to zap and consume the content.
Users who can afford to tip more but aren’t because they’re accustomed to getting all their content “free” from ad-supported platforms ought to pay more. The average Nostr user can afford to tip more than 21 sats for good content they consume. Doesn’t mean you have to tip every post or every creator. Doesn’t mean the user base can sustain a living wage. But it means that you, the individual, can tip an actually meaningful amount when you enjoy something.
Yeah not saying everyone is like me. Those MFs are just cheap bastards. 😂
You put your money where your mouth is. No question 🔥🫡
A Moscow time zap option would be awesome
That would be cool!
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I disagree, whenever it's 1000 sats or 50cents (of whatever fiat bucks you are refering to) I would zap the same and only on extremly rare occasions, maybe 1 or 2 per month top (that's already 12-24'000 per year, more than a domain name or Bitwarden premium, that many people already find too much to pay.
However 21 or 42 or even 100 sats are cheap enough that I'm ok to zap just as a strong like or to mark appretiation for a good joke.
Too be honest I don't see so many post from artist or creator that really make my day, most of my high zap (or tips via other platforms) would be for an app update that add a funtionality that I was really looking for or that make my life a lot easier/better.
Even in real life I almost never tips (I'm in one of these country where people in service are well payed and don't expect any tips unless they real offer much more than the expected value).
Also for some people 20'000 sats is nothing, they spend more on a cocktail or a glass of wine. For other it's money for one or several day of food.
Anyone should be free to zap anything without shaming or comparison. And the receiver is free to spend it immediatly on more zap or keep it until it worth several bucks a few years later.
Yes everyone is free to zap what they want. And I am free to tell you that a 21 sat zap is horse shit if you think it is a meaningful tip. It’s a fun play amount. It’s not a tip. If you don’t see good content worth zapping more, maybe you should consider that it may be because you don’t believe it’s worthwhile to tip more.
Maybe I'm a cheap shnock, do you have some exemple of post that you zapped 1000+sats and why?
Just wanted to throw my two sats in this very interesting thread: some publications and creators still dont have their wallets set up to even receive zaps.
denominations in local currencies sounds like a dope idea. I wonder if at some point bitcoin-backed e cash could replace local currencies on the internet.
This is a great point. I didn’t think about 1000 being a large number. I think you are correct about dropping $1 - $5 in a tip jar at events. I would be curious to hear what folks think about zaps in local currency….
I still think likes provide some sort of signal that your content was seen, even if the person didn’t value it much
Likes provide zero signal. They are relics of ad-funded social media intended to inform their algorithms and keep people addicted. They’re the shitcoins of engagement metrics. Absolute garbage. Stop using them.
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This is the signal ^
As an example, I use the Nostur client on iOS a lot and when you zap it shows you the current USD exchange rate for various amounts. You can set a default zap in sats, but I would love to be able to set a default zap amount in USD and then the client just initiate a zap for the corresponding number of sats. Curious what others think too.
Yessir. I like the odd rocket to the moon emoji... but ZAPS is the bees knees.
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Likes can function as a read receipt. 👍
The drumming will continue until the V4V improves 😂🫡
I’ve alway known it, but after selling everything we had over the last year, I have become acutely aware of the fact that people will always seek to get something for nothing, or pay a pittance for something of value. V4V, imo, does not jive with human nature.
Sooooo…. Never, like… Like?
At the very least there is a lot of momentum against it. I am optimistic about it though, and believe it can be a viable revenue stream, even though it may not be the only one, for an artist. It fosters a 2-way relationship and feedback loop between a professional creator/artist and the people that most appreciate their work, which are the people that matter most in this scenario anyway. I’m happy if non-supporting people enjoy my music, for instance, but I really don’t think much about them in the grand scheme of things, and I certainly don’t give two shits what their opinion is about what I’m doing. I’m looking to connect with people that like what I make. To hell with the rest of ya…lovingly of course. 😂
"does not jive" i agree
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I’d be happy to be proven wrong…..…
The lighting button is moar fun
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Nothing for a nice lady. Beer in Poland cost more
I want to visit there someday.
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Disagree. Keep using likes!
It’s good for the soul.
Yes, they are weak sauce and relics, but man the more people hate on them, the more I kinda wanna like-spam harder. 😂
Actually, I’m most excited for negative zaps.
I’ll probably stop using likes then.
I would love for clients to allow me to downvote an idea but still zap for the contribution or have the zaps go to opensats or a prism or something else.
Never been, but nostr allows me to perform minor acts of gratitude from my place of financial freedom.
This is the most engaged note I’ve made in months! And it’s a nostr meta post!
How about some of you like and zap my real attempts to provide value?
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This message is worth at least 500 sats to me
Noooo. Like my posts, it makes me feel good...
🤙 if I put this emoji as a comment or as a like it's still communication. Maybe clients don't display the different emojis as likes in the way amethyst does but for me the likes are just a way to quickly communicate without having to do the extra taps of adding a comment. Plus, it's not really useful in most cases for others to read a comment with a singular emoji more of a direct feedback to whoever wrote the note.
That being said, likes are a shitcoin I agree.
It is free the moment you put it out there for free. That's the nature of content in electronic format: once you put it out, it's not your anymore and people will simply not pay. Why would they?
It boggles my mind, this insistence that people somehow have an obligation to pay for stuffs that's made available for free, voluntarily, or that they have to pay a certain fixed amount, but without explicitly making them do so by putting a price on the access to that content. If you feel you deserve 1 dollar instead of 1 cent for a piece of content, have the courage to paywall it.
V4V has all the incentives upside down and will never, ever, "work", if "work" means paying as much to the content creator as they would get from a paywalled system.
My grandfather is from there. So it's always been on my bucket list to check out. Super cool of you!
we are used to empty praise and making things about us. I've seen this scene many times: a child creates something and an adult says "it's beautiful, I really liked it", without really paying attention to the creation and the child. and that's how we relate. We don't go out of our comfort zone to really pay attention to other people's creations, to really let ourselves be touched by them. and we don't go out of our comfort zone to tell someone how that affects us instead of making it about us or someone else who needs to be validated and recognized.
for me it is hard because I'm always afraid of saying things that doesn't really matter. but that fear comes from that dynamic, I guess. and your comment invited me to say something and think about my own behavior.
This whole conversation got me spiraling on the difference between signal, communication and value 😂
There is a huge difference in Nostr clients, so again there is the communication channel that influences the message on which the sender of the 'signal' doesn't have any influence.
The absence of an element of communication can be the communication 🤔
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Haha yes 🧀
I bet its a cute alphabet.
We visited Wilno Tavern restaurant in allegedly the first polish settlement in Canada. Food was delish. Pierogies, polish sausage and cabbage rolls for me 🤪
Nice 🤠. That's almost 1 million dollars since Nostr gained some traction, which is about 2 years. So something around 40K of movement every month. I dont think thats a bad number.
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