MEREDITH WHITTAKER - PRESIDENT OF SIGNAL FOUNDATION - JULY 3 2023
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Why doesn't signal open interoperability with other xmpp servers? Even google talk and facebuk had it in the past.
Thank you Meredith, fighting for freedom in the UK 🙏
How about we start with releasing the Epstein black book then go from there 🤷♂️
Old news. Nobody cares. Literally.
Yep. So stop asking about child sex abuse elsewhere then if no one actually cares
Math checks out.
Or go insane yelling at the wall.
They could have pics of Clinton & 20 kids & it wouldn’t make a dent on NPC radar.
Focus locally. Protect kids in your community. Make local police & politicians accountable. And if they aren’t, run against them to replace. Always local.
Just referring to this clip.
NOSTR FIXES THIS. WE DON'T NEED TO LICK CORRUPT POLITICIANS BOOTS NOR JUSTIFY OURSELVES TO BIASED JOURNALISTS. THIS IS NOT A NEGOTIATION.
w xmpp those corpz cant track and control people. So this techn undermine their agenda. They dont like it and will never use it.
I agree with her stance and mission. But I don’t think she was able to address the questions they are concerned about.
There many things she could have said to answer them by at least deflecting the focus.
For example, Why doesn’t the UK hold Canon and Nikon and the camera companies accountable to the content of the photos they capture if it was illegal?
Why doesn’t it hold VLC accountable for the videos it plays.
There is a laundry list of areas she could have focused on to show how ridiculous this idea is and the true nature behind it.
Even if they monitor illegal content, bad people will find another way of doing it.
She should be on Nostr.
Exact, that's why we have to self-host and boycott them all.
This would have been a mistake. You can't ridicule your opponent. You need to appear serious and concerned. Especially when people bring child pornography in the discussion.
If they’re not willing to make that amendment part of the bill, it just shows that they intend to invade everyone’s privacy.
And repeatedly
tell us about the lobster...
No need to self host everything, just to use the non popular tech, and watch evil people try to catch up.
Meredith Whittaker was 🔥
That dude is the enemy. Whether he’s a useful idiot who means well or not.
But we don’t need his permission. We won’t ask for his permission.
We build around him.
I hate how they always bring up child pornography when they want to justify their overreach.
I really don't know if he is so dumb that he doesn't get it, or if he just doesn't care...
It doesn't matter what they promise...
It might even be true that he won't take advantage of the bardly written provision, but doesn't he realize that he isn't the only one in government?! Doesn't he realize he won't be there forever?!
"We don't need it to say what we're not going to do"... Why the fuck not?! That would be the clearest way to be clear that those thing's will not happen (as long as they don't change the law/their mind)
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THAT WAS PAINFUL
you either have freedom, accept the consequences both great and ugly, and realize that overall its far better though not without cost or you simply decide tyranny is preferrable; its that simple. also epstein was obvious even if you couldnt read his texts and the government did jack shit-they don't care
Nostr soluciona esto
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Only 7% of what was recommended. That made my heart sink
I think anybody who proposes a new law should be gassed. We've got more than enough.
Interesting.
Britain does seem more fucked the US.
If you're not pro freedom then you're a pedophile.
Donate to help Signal.
Governments have existing laws in place to mitigate child sexploitation and to put pedophiles in prison but they don't want to stop it, they want to participate in it, control it, and monetize it. Epstein proved it.
shes absolutely fantastic
This man is despicable. UK is cucked.
Argh no lightning support
Time is a flat circle.
So true. How long did we not see this?
I stopped on: " Do you investigate user accounts?"
Unbeliavable!
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Thanks for sharing this!
🩵 Signal 🩵
THEY LIKELY HACKED HIS PHONE OR THE PERSON HE WAS TALKING TO.
THIS GIVES THEM ACCESS TO EVERYTHING ON THE PHONE. INCLUDING SIMPLEX MESSAGES.
THAT IS NOT HOW SIGNAL WORKS.
THERE ARE PROTECTIONS IN PLACE TO MITIGATE SIM SWAPS.
PEGASUS MALWARE OR SOMETHING SIMILAR IS UNFORTUNATELY WIDESPREAD AND THE LIKELY CULPRIT HERE.
BE WARY OF ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES A PHONE.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/russias-fsb-says-us-nsa-penetrated-thousands-apple-phones-spy-plot-2023-06-01/
Big Tech Evil, Governments Good. FFS
We are all evil and good. All of us, all the time.
Nobody is above anybody else, nobody gets to tell anybody else what to do.
If somebody harms somebody else, allow society to punish that.
Don't go creating tools to watch everybody all the time, in case somebody is doing something they shouldn't some of the time.
Amazing lady. Flag bearer for freedom.
Jaein
I can't bear to watch those scum. Maybe we need to turn the top lobster loose on Cathy again.
Fire.
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*anxiety is back*
*yay*
This lady is SHARP.
this conversation makes me want to rip my hairs out
so... it seems a bit like you're proposing making a law and o think that's ironic
Bank robbers: enter bank
Bank robbers: Rob bank
Bank robbers: enter a 2023 GMC Sierra white 4*4 and speed away from authorities to safety
Regulators: contact GMC "what are you doing to ensure your vehicles are not use for illegal activities"
agree.
hope he message is more clear now.
to the other commenter, suggesting that you can't ridicule the opponent: i think that's exactly what she should do. public difficult is the only non-violent solution to these doughnuts
Dear god, I don't know how I'd have made it through this without slapping that dude.
He is either profoundly naive, or just completely full of shit. The idea that the bill "doesn't need to say what you can't do," is the dumbest shit imaginable. That's literally EXACTLY what the bill should fucking do.
Haha! Exactly.
We dont need the bill of rights to specify what the government can't do.
what a absolute knob that man is
Yeah he was cringe.
His position reminds me of a negotiation I had with a relatively well known bitcoin VC fund* in 2022. We agreed over the course of several months in the “dating” phase but when the term sheet started to take shape all the “agreed” terms were substituted with VC standards that fuck over the entrepreneur.
When they tell you the contract language / regulatory language doesn’t matter, that’s precisely when it REALLY matters.
*Not Ten31
Ok is Meredith Whittaker on here because damn she knocked this one right out of the park 🔥
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They are so hungry for our super secret communications 😁
08:25 - She says they absolutely investigate Signal accounts when warranted. I wonder how they can do it if there's no backdoor already.
i understood that as they investigate on what they have (phone number + evidence provided by police)
they have IP addresses and phone numbers
One thing that needs to be said that wasn't said:
NationStates are the biggest abusers of children and humans on the planet, and are the main reason encryption is important.
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“It doesn’t require the breaking of encryption for a back door” what a fucking imbecile
Jeez. Who would I trust? A politician that didnt read the legislation and looks like he wears eye-shadow or a privacy freedom fighter?
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Is it true signal has financial issues?
The way these politicians speak is inane and infuriating.
The government has already done that. By 2026 all new cars must come equipped with back door “kill switches”
And don't forget terrorism!
weasel words thru and thru
I'm not a huge fan of Signal, but this debate is full of good points, even if they only come from one participant.
Is her opponent able to walk the streets without getting harassed? I can't believe how much is BS he shovels out with such few words.
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You misspelled a socialist state agent
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15 seconds in, Meredith - "I'm here today not as a politician". Debate over and won.
I think we watched different interviews.
UNPOPULAR OPINION: I don't trust Signal, ever, since inception.
Same but i can’t say i have any good reason for it besides the phone number thing. Do you?
Signal 💙
I'd imagine mac addresses, device IDs too? And that's the way it should be, if there's need to investigate. Meredith is 100% right, this guy, I'm not so sure about.
Signal is in good hands. I was worried after m0xie (one of us from the olden times) stepped away, but she's great.
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You trust neither. You verify.
Example, another reason to not ise Signal besides their SIM requirement is their server infrastructure isn't open.
Got anything in a Climate Emergency color? Maybe end of world warning themed paper?
Did you notice how the enforce-terms-of-service "question" by the politician was trying to set the scope of the conversation? It reminded me of Julian Assange's "we have to enlarge the media frame"
Shouts out to Meredith! I would have lost my damn mind with this dude!
Online safety yada yada. Think of the kids!!!!!
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So what do you recommend for chat with friends and family? SimpleX?
A noob like me can't be verifying code. I verify where possible but recognise my limits
Andreas Antonopolous gave a GREAT talk about this subject when talking about using financial freedom to do more good than harm due to the assymetry of evil. He gave that talk in Zurich.
He basically said that in the 1920s, when the restriction of free speech was being debated that a judge basically said "the answer to bad speech is MORE free speech" (paraphrased).
That is due to the "assymetry of evil" : there are more people in the world wanting to do good with speech than do evil and hence they will flood the bad speech actors with their good free speech.
I hope we haven't forgotten that. In the 1920s they managed to stave off the attack on free speech. It would be sad that in the 2020s it were successful...
here IS that talk - i have bookmarked it at 11:15 but this often gets ignored in embedded videos, so manually jump there.
OR listen to the whole thing, it's great!!
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Encourage Signal to accept lightning donations or cashu.
are you trying to say that ** debasement of a currency that undervalue work and savings of the young by pumping assets of the old + continuing expanditure of debt in favor of "today" spending at the expense of the next generation ** is an direct children abuse ? 🤯
reasonable opinion.
Regarding recommendations, I think we're very much in a transitional period. Right now, with the bill that's being looked at regarding encryption in the UK, I think it's a wait and see in terms of what precedent that will set for other countries as well.
Regardless of the border BS, SimpleX is an option though the lack of interoperability as a transition-ramp could be an issue, but personally I'd be more inclined towards Matrix as I've used it extensively in the past.
However, I think even those may full prey to issues that Mastodon is known for, not to mention legacy border issues.
Instead, I'm more interested in seeing Nostr as an option, for instance #0xchat is a good one but not as featureful yet.
Like I said, wait and see. As for right now, can't go wrong with #Matrix.
Lastly, I don't think it's just about being able for YOU to verify the code, but for it to be openly available and auditable. We can't expect everyone to verify source code throughout their entire life, but there are always those willing to do so, and a million eyes on pieces of code is better than no eyes at all - That's the base proposition with no compromises that I think there are no opposing arguments for, in this day and age.
I should clarify - The UK bill as it was did not pass, but it may come back soon, and also waiting to see what other countries do based on this.
At the end of the day though, it shouldn't really matter provided we have open, decentralized, self-hostable-infrastructure, interoperable comms.
Wow. This is the only argument in the past 8 or more years where I’ve followed both sides and not thought one side was complete bullshit.
Yes the dumpy man was a shill, but the argument on both sides was solid, and I didn’t know who Meredeth was before this post, but she’s my hero now.
Great discussion, not to be judged. This isn’t the usual US bullshit convo. It’s worth listening to fully.
Mobius Strips Said ….
Depends how its done. But either way I don't think she answered the questions well. I'm a fan of her work tho for the most part
Yes at times I wish she answered differently too but we need to keep in mind this debate wasn't in good faith and it was time limited so there are places she couldn't afford to go.
Are you sure that signal use XMPP?
Not 100%, because I never found a confirmation of it. But it uses omemo that is a xmpp extension. WhatsApp I'm sure it does.
WhatsApp uses a customized version of the open standard Extensible messaging and presence protocol (XMPP).[210] Upon installation, it creates a user account using the user's phone number as the username (Jabber ID: [phone number]@s.whatsapp.net).
WhatsApp - Wikipedia
And by how signal collaborated with WhatsApp encryption I would say it's very likely signal is xmpp also. But no confirmation so far.
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It look more like omemo has been originaly based on signal protocol as try to implement it for xmpp not that signal uses omemo.
Even if signal has been based on xmpp (which i don't think it is), first release is from 2014, 10 years of independet development is somethink which can kill compatibility.
We have sourcecode of signal on github. I try look at it when i have time.
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4 Horsemen of the Infocalypse
#Signal is just another centralized bullshit.
Not everything that is centralized is a bad thing. Look up Moxie's speech at defcon called "the ecosystem is moving".
Well, this confirms my view even more. The move of the central planners is clear: client side scanning that makes encryption moot. Our move can only be total decentralisation: not services but open appliances (open source hardware & software) using open protocols (Bitcoin, Nostr, Bitcoin DNS & cert roots) so that even normies can keep their data safe in their own personal cloud until they are ready to reveal any of it to others or the general public. No mass surveillance allowed on those personal clouds. Business model is just the appliance sales, no service, no ongoing relationship, the vendor can even shield itself from knowing their customers payment identification (using Bitcoin or 3rd party payment processors) or even customers addresses (via couriers)
Signal foundation needs a nostr account! They should implement ecash onto the app instead of mobile💩coin.
Not your servers, not your rules
"Stop Bad Weather" paper.
Doesn't matter if people don't outright reject client side scanning
She is
That's a Fediverse - Nostr bridge profile
Ohhhh