Are you looking to switch to Android for the very first time? I'm here to help. Just ask!
Over the years, I've been heavily embedded in the Android ecosystem. I purchased the HTC Droid Incredible in 2010 and never looked back. Since then, I've owned phones from HTC, Motorola, and Google, always using phones that allowed me to run custom ROMs or a stock Android or stock Google experience. I've compiled my own Android OS from source using AOSP and I've compiled and ran my own kernels. I'm also a former Android blogger, writing dozens of reviews of phones, tablets, watches, apps, and other services surrounding Android. I've traveled the world, attending various smartphone launches, attended conference, and Android meetups.
Before we get started, I'd like to say that Apple's current situations with Damus or Zeus is nothing new. Apple does this every year or so and is always involved in these sorts of scenarios with apps, banning and censoring them. Apple is one of the richest companies in the world. You can fight them all you want, but in the end, they always win. Look at the battle that Epic Games had with Apple over Fortnite as an example.
So, you've decided to give Android a try, but don't know where to start or you've heard bad things over the years and you're not sure about making the switch? Switching ecosystems is incredibly hard and a daunting task. I will not sugar coat that. I would not want to do it and I would not look forward to it. However, I hope this makes it easier for you.
**Buy a Google Pixel.**
Not all Android phones are equal. Not all Android phones are completely open. Not all Android phones have unlockable bootloaders. If you go the Pixel route, you'll have the most open phone with the most options available to you.
If you want to run a custom ROM such as Graphene OS, a Google Pixel phone will give you the best options. Graphene OS allows you to run a "De-Googled" phone. You can read more about Graphene here:
GrapheneOS: the private and secure mobile OS
Every Android phone allows you to install a third party app store. Every Android phone allows you to install apps that do not come from Google Play. This is by design. You do not need to do anything overly special to just install an app from Github or F-Droid, etc.
What's F-Droid? F-Droid is a FOSS (Free and Open Source Software) app store. You can check it out here:

F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository
F-Droid is an installable catalogue of FOSS (Free and Open Source Software) applications for the Android platform. The client makes it easy to brow...
Where should you get a Google Pixel phone? If you're looking to buy a new phone, I'd recommend buying directly from Google as you'll get the best support. I've had to return devices over the years and the times I've had to do so, it's been incredibly easy.
If you you're on a budget or don't want to buy a brand new phone, I highly recommend that you use Swappa. I've met the owner and many of the developers. They are great people. Any time I'e sold a used phone or purchased a used phone, I've only used Swappa.
https://swappa.com
Which Pixel phone should you get? Well, that's up to you. The latest version is the Pixel 7 line. This includes Pixel 7a, Pixel 7, and Pixel 7 Pro. The "a" line is the cheaper or budge line that doesn't have all of the bells and whistles that the other ones have. It's similar to the "SE" line with iPhone. Normally, the "a" line is the best bang for your buck phone. My kids always get the "a" line. The "Pro" version, just like iPhone would be your Pixel with the largest screen, largest battery, and has extra camera zooming features. I always buy the "Pro" version. My wife normally gets he standard version, but this year, she wanted the "Pro" version because she was jealous of my 30X zoom.
I'm going to run an "office hours" Nostr Nest today at
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But my iPhone is so sexy Derek π
Iβm in Iβm gonna make a start. What time you nesting
it's live now
you're welcome
you're welcome π
is it though?
Bookmarked π€πΌπ
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It is. But to be fair Iβm a virgin to anything else since my LG enV2 that phone was awesome
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May sound silly, but the thing I will miss the most if I make this switch is the ability to copy something on my phone and then paste it into my MacBook. I'm guessing this isn't an option since hardware and software are not tightly coupled like with Apple?
GoodMorning Derek! Thank you for all this info, very very helpful! Just a question, does this basically mean that google pixel > Samsung galaxy?
Here you go, can help out anyone on specifics if you want to move also.
But thanks
@Derek Ross ππ
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You have Nearby share for that on Android now that can be used on Windows.
"my phone" are very words you said mate.
It's not your phone if you can't install an app that you want.
Think about it.
Yo that's crazy, I was doing tech support for HTC around 2010.
Try pixel 7 pro, you will not look back.
Great information for everyone. Thanks for your hard work
@Derek Ross
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What do u think about huawei phones? I have mate lite.
Highly recommend OnePlus. Out the gate they've always allowed bootloader unlocking and provided the tools to do so themselves.
garbage. π huawei is so overly skinned with bloatware.
Yup well said! Never liked Apple for this very reason. It's nothing new too... their closed source walled garden mentality has been part of them since the early PC days. They make cool innovative stuff, only to have competitors out do them in the end due to their greedy walled garden mentality which stifles outside innovation.
Been using Google Pixel phones for many years and they are the real deal.
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Which android phone is comparable to the iPhone SE?
i toured the factory where they are made and met the original founder. i used to talk to carl pei a lot.
i would never use oneplus because of their horrible customer support when they first launched.
This is cowardice. Android is the same shit with more malware. Fuck the App Store PWA is the answer
Pixel 7a or Pixel 6a
Thx!
Ugh. Iβm thinking of going back to pixel now. I used to have some of the earlier pixels but their was always hardware issues, and the charging port would stop working about a 9 months in.
How does the current pixel hold up hardware-wise?
I would recommend Obtainium more than F-droid:

GitHub
GitHub - ImranR98/Obtainium: Get Android app updates straight from the source.
Get Android app updates straight from the source. Contribute to ImranR98/Obtainium development by creating an account on GitHub.
F-droid is just as centralized as the PlayStore. They just have different rules (open source only) but can easily take down an app just because they want it down.
With things like Obtainium, you download the APK straight from the Amethyst repo. There is no list.
This. It requires a bit more maintenance than F-Droid but now it's my favorite way of getting apps
Thanks for the very interesting information! Do you also have a recommendation for replacing MacBooks with similar open notebook hardware for Linux?
I have a oneplus Nord100 I would like to try something like graphene but am scared I will just brick my phone.
how do you know Google is not inserting secret "management hardware" that watches you whatever os you install?
PWA is not a long term solution until the OS level concerns are solved. The OS can tell your browser apps not to load URL it doesn't like. The OS must be handled first, which is what this thread is for.
Switching from iOS to Android is for eliminating censorship at the OS level, not for ensuring that all possible attack vectors in hardware are gone ...
This note is π₯
What about "de googling" a Xiaomi phone?
Care to write a tutorial/how to?
There's still never been a better feeling phone than the OG One though. That back plate was amazing! π
That's awesome man. I was really impressed with their QC when Linus walked through their facility. I love android. We have similar stories I believe but I'm a little younger so I was still beholden to Verizon androids until I was old enough to move out and get my own plans. I didn't get on the OnePlus train until OP5 . But every upgrade since I've tried competitors and ended up going to the next OnePlus after a few days. There was just no comparison for price to performance ratio.
For funsies let's see if I can remember my lineage:
Droid X
OG Droid
Droid 2 Global
Droid 2
HTC Evo 4G
HTC droid Incredible
Droid RAZR
RAZR M
Galaxy Nexus
Moto X 2013
Moto X (2nd gen)
OnePlus 5
OnePlus 7 Pro
OnePlus 9 (current)
I got my wife to switch when we started dating from her iPhone 4 and she never looked back. She uses a pixel 4 now.
I also tried Sony's offerings and Asus Zen line but retured them for the OP after a week of use. If I was going to get anything else it would be a pixel but I love my inscreen fingerprint reader and competition is no where close to the speed. I hate facial unlock. Just my preference. I did a LOT of custom roms before I got my Moto Xs and since then I've never felt the need to tinker since phones have gotten so much better and OP is fairly close to stock android.
If anyone has questions, you can send them my way too. I have a lot of experience in this field. I also did device repair as a career for 5 years so I know the hardware really well too. (It's why I used Motos so long, they have top tier engineers)
For some Xiaomi phones there is LineageOS or /e/ which are much better than the stock rom but not as fully hardened as GrapheneOS
F-droid is useful if you want curated ooen aource software that has at least met some minimum aet of privacy requirements. Its good for people starting out, not knowing how to identify credible ooen source apps.
I'm curious why nobody mentions that you can install your own app repository and pubkey in f-droid?
@DarthCoin βΏβ‘οΈ
Had a Huawei Mate 3 , honestly best phone I ever had, great battery life, amazing camera and fast. Too bad they got embargoed by Google. Would still use it today if I hadn't smashed the screen. On a OnePlus now but camera and battery life not the same.
I don't think they care about privacy. F-droid is about open-source. While I am sure they also like privacy, it has not an issue to accept non-private apps in their catalog. The proof is that Nostr is not a privacy-first protocol but it is there.
There is only one thing I hate more than Apple right now and that's Microsoft/Windows.
What would be the cheapest pixel phone that is viable for degoogling?
Thanks Derek, Iβve bookmarked this thread.
Iβve been thinking many times to make this step but I always change my mind when I start analyzing how many things Iβll have to change in my tech environment: MacBook Air, Apple Watch, AirTags , family account management ( small kids) , Apple TV , iCloud storage ( years of pictures) eccβ¦..
Now that I write them all down Iβm already feeling in discomfort.
Mate lite have shity camera...
"Android is the same shit"
False. Don't know what you're talking about.
Holi π
Does anybody have spare 400 usd fiat? I need this ronin cellphone π₯Ί

I can't argue with that. I am on the same spectrum.
Is anyone selling preloaded GrapheneOS Pixels?
https://ronindojo.io/en/roninmobile
Theres another group that does but canβt remember the name off the top of my head. Someone recommended them.
Is this a viable business? Buy used phones, wipe them, load them with graphene and resell them? π
iβve seen it offered before somewhere, very niche market still
if your phone seller wasnβt in prague, your ngmi

Very interesting π€
Excellent work. Must read for beginner or intermediate decentralization supporters... #web5 infrastructure.
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Just seeing this on my lunch. Bookmarked for when I got home. π€π«Ά
It's simple to install too. They offer an web installer so it's not needed any command line scripts to install graphene os
Web installer | Install | GrapheneOS
the people who would have installed it already have
we need these in retail stores
do you want the spy phone or the freedom phone?
I'm switching back to Linux soon, Microsoft's ads are getting out of hand amongst other things. Gonna find a distro that I like
I'm a fan of Ubuntu but it's also the only one I've used, so take that as you will.
ads on an operating system you pay for is wild.
agree. the web installer is amazing compared to what we used to have to do.
It is galling to charge for Office licenses whilst they fill my push notifications with their spam
I've used Ubuntu and Arch over a decade ago. I loved Arch, but I think Ubuntu or Mint will fit my needs well
This sounds like a great idea for a nostr client/app development.ππππ
If I am going through the trouble of buying a new phone, I wonβt buy from someone that install an OS for me. Who knows what kinda Trojan and virus you can load with it π
self install wonβt scale, mass adoption needs off the shelf
Iβve been waiting my whole life for this

Iβd buy one
very good write up
I'd only install 2 viruses max.
π Do I see a Nexus?
might impact future sales
So, we talking more or less viruses? 3? 1?
Good advice thank you!
Shitposting aside, you are absolutely correct. The masses will never buy a phone and wipe it and install a custom OS. It's too many steps. Plus not everyone has access to a laptop or desktop computer. That's asking too much.
Iβve been looking at pine phones. Anyone used one?
https://pine64.org/devices/pinephone/
Its a developer device, its slow and less responsive than almost every other phone and even if you have multiple batteries they still drain fast. If you want it for just call and text (meaning no using Signal for messaging), than you should be OK. Web browsing is also pretty slow. I've tried a bunch of LinuxOS's about a year or 2 ago so there may have been improvements, or maybe the Pro is better but I don't know much about on that side.
Iβd be far more likely to buy a used phone than a new one. My current iPhone X functions just fine minus the apple tomfuckery, so itβs hard to justify $500+ for new phone thatβs a couple gens old right now with everything else I have going on.
it seems that it will fall the to the fate of every other linux phone before it. slow with bad battery life and little app support.
yup a couple of them!
i thought so!

You only need the one that will siphon out #bitcoin
Noooo! I still need to have hope π₯²
Have you tried the GrapheneOS web installer? It is magic! With a bit more UX polish could really push mass adoption.
not yet, and maybe everyone under 30 will figure it out no problem
but thereβs a learning curve and there needs to be a reason to switch or commit to two phones
Without a little suffering we cannot evolve.
To mass offer ready to use "ethic" smartphones you need to full control the hardware, not so easy.
Perhaps a collaboration with Fairphone.
From the documentary on their site
βToday, there are more mobile phones on the planet than people.β
makes you think
Yup. Apple er evil
Thanks!