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Just like the Brave browser protects you from ads and then forces you to see their own ads.
Yeah…
Yeah but nostr "doesn't scale," right?
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Care to comment
@npub10l9m...psmz? 🤔
which browser then?
Musk is asshole in that way . I like and dislike his attitude in the same time .
Yeah .. human are flaw . I am sure if I said something truthful I will get banned on this platform too .
What platform?
It is such cringe every time I hear that he saved free speech
i memba
I agree with you about musk, and Twitter is obviously retarded - BUT, I have to point out: reach ain't speech.
open protocols are the only option for speech, yes! but the reach issue remains and always will (thankfully. I don't want to be forced to help the reach for things I don't like)
cURL
lol
what browser do you use?
Zen has really improved lately I can’t recommend it highly enough.
cURL is always good 😂😂😂😂
I went back from brave to Firefox two days ago. I did go from Firefox to brave last November, due to the Tronlink Extension. Firefox I like better.
If I type
sudo dnf update
My brave repo always gives Errors
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We are looking for an investor who can lend 50,000 US dollars to our holding.
We are going to establish a furniture manufacturing facility, but we are short of 50,000 US dollars to complete our budget. Therefore, we would like to borrow 50,000 US dollars from you.
In today's industry, the furniture business ensures fast sales and also provides great profit opportunities.
We will open a furniture production facility in Baku, Azerbaijan, with the 50,000 dollars you will give.
You will lend 50,000 US dollars to our holding. When the date 22.12.2025 comes, I will return your money as 500,000 US dollars.
You will lend 50,000 US dollars to our holding company. When 22.12.2025 comes, I will give you your money back as 500,000 US dollars.
You will have made 10 times profit in 9 months
When 22.12.2025 comes, you will get your money back as 500,000 US dollars
To learn how you can lend 50,000 US dollars to our holding and to get detailed information, send a message to my whatsapp number or telegram username below and I will give detailed information.
For detailed information, send a message to my WhatsApp number or Telegram username below and I will give you detailed information.
If you want to lend 50,000 US dollars to our holding, send a message to my whatsapp number or telegram username below.
You can contact us by sending a message to my WhatsApp number or Telegram username below.
My WhatsApp phone number:
+212 619-202847
My telegram username:
@adenholding
I don't know what you mean by "reach" but if a platform gives people the impression that they are "following" you but then your notes don't reach that people that are supposedly following you that is the big problem.
The alternative is the platform saying "I will decide what you see", but then it has to be honest about it and not trick users with fake "follow" buttons.
fair.
what about if someone is following me on nostr but I only post notes to a single personal relay (completely uncensorable) and they don't have that relay in their subscriptions?
my reach to them is zero, but my speech is unlimited (to my own relay). my point is reach is an emergent property of the current dynamics of the network topology, infrastructure, costs, client software, etc. speech is different. I can post to my own relay with 100% confidence in freedom of my speech. but I can't control my reach (I can nudge it) just like someone else cannot force me to broadcast their message (their reach)
I'm sorry to interject. This is a discussion I hope for anyone building on nostr to think over deeply. At what general line does the burden of distribution shift from the followers to the publishers or vice versa? And how well does any sort of middle infrastructure accommodate or hinder the basic expectations of either? (Yes, outbox, but...)
I'm not really looking for answers, since there really is no way to create a uniform line. It's just something I ponder when I notice things missing.
no need to apologize. nostr is for public conversations :) (or at least in this mode here).
outbox + inbox (cc
@Alex Gleason ) creates some pretty interesting dynamics for that burden you're referencing to shift around in fun ways
Oh, I'm going to apologize. Potentially profusely, from time to time.
I'm just curious, given I function mostly fine, but I do find myself wondering about new users' expectations and whether or not their being met.
They're* 😒
Are you just describing some hypothetical absurd situation? Because to me that is the same as saying: "what if I have this website for my company and people type the URL to access it but their web browsers my competitor's website instead?"
The concept of free speech is nonsensical by itself anyway and no one should ever use it.
Basically you can argue that anyone has freedom of speech no matter the circumstance -- the person could be in solitary confinement, but they can still talk. So whatever. Now you're introducing this other thing, "reach", which is what most people understood by "freedom of speech" 2 years ago, although the terms were never properly defined (and that's why people can define them now in even more nonsensical ways to poison the discussion), and now you're saying that "reach" is this complicated thing and blablabla.
My point is: Nostr solves the problem of letting person A following person B. X and any platform can and do prevent A from seeing person B's posts, either by banning B or by shadowbanning B or whatever other nuance you can think of.
Now, answering the question from the first paragraph: if the browser doesn't display the damn website but the website is available that is a bug in the web browser, it's not some abstract undefined problem of "reach".
no disagreement whatsoever that X and any other platform can and do prevent people from seeing others' content. they do that for a lot of different reasons - all of which I disagree with - and they only have the ability to do it because the users make the original error of domiciling "their data" with someone else.
this is why I don't have accounts with those things.
the story isn't quite so clear though when the question isn't just "does this centralized platform fuck around with who gets to see what inside their playground?" but instead "onto how many other servers do you copy your stuff, how many of those do you own, which of those have their own subtle rules about moderation and access, what NIPs do they support, what kind of performance and scale do they possess, how many other people are connected to which ones, etc etc." It's an unanswerable complex.
this is a good thing.
to me, there are as many different pictures of "reach" in that complex as there are combinations of people, notes and infrastructure pieces.
in one permutation, a certain message may only be visible to 20 people due to some simple constraints. in another, almost **everyone** paying attention to the protocol may see a particular note.
the concept of free speech is not nonsensical and it is directly related to the above. the presence of an open protocol **is** the existence proof / what defines free speech. I CAN construct a message that conforms to a particular Kind, documented at a particular commit. nobody can stop me from forming that message. that's free speech. granted it's sort of weak and useless without reach, but its existence as a base fact makes all the difference because it can become a Schelling point. (and has. look around).
not everything is like that. I may not be able to arrange bytes in a way that conforms to some proprietary format because I don't know the rules and don't have the tools - because these things are secret. that won't become a schelling point for anyone *outside* the special inner circle. It's not an open protocol because nobody is free to create that kind of speech.
once you have the basic component of that kind of permissionless speech, you can get schelling points via persuasion and value-adds, and aligned individuals and groups build voluntary reach channels as befit their goals and interests together. very many of these grow and evolve organically and eventually you have the complex I described above.
I'm not sure what we're disagreeing about, if anything.
Graphs from this story are stark.
Link: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/04/23/business/elon-musk-x-suppression-laura-loomer.html
