BITCOIN CONSENSUS IS NOT DICTATED BY TWITTER.
WILL NOT UPDATE ANY OF MY NODES TO SUPPORT OP_CAT.
WILL TREAT ANY ATTEMPT TO PUSH THROUGH ACTIVATION AS HOSTILE.
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Reasons please
Need to produce something of value though or the off ramps will decide which fork the market follows.
🛑 #No2OpCat 🛑🤙
BITCOIN CONSENSUS IS NOT DICTATED BY TWITTER.
WILL NOT UPDATE ANY OF MY NODES TO SUPPORT OP_CAT.
WILL TREAT ANY ATTEMPT TO PUSH THROUGH ACTIVATION AS HOSTILE.
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But cats are cute and cuddly and Humans love cats, no? 👀
I don’t get the fear. Bitcoin script is sandboxed in memory (520) and compute (5 sec). No OPs could possibly harm the network. So what’s wrong?
OP_CAT sounds discriminatory to all dogs and dog-selfidentifying cats. They should look for a more inclusive OP name, like OP_RETARD.
If OP_CAT is being heavily encouraged by the Ordinals crowd, bad actors in the Bitcoin space, and people wanting to do it "for the memes" it's absolutely 100% going to be a no from me, dawg.
WEN OP_DOG?
does meme coin has a value?
Sorry. Meme coins have no intrinsic value.
OP_APE incoming...
What a slippery slope 🫤
840000x5s=48 days
What is the definition of 5s of compute time when a cpu could vary from a 1970 C4004 to a quantum galactic computer?
FUCK THE WIZARD CATS AND ALL THEIR SCAMS
Reasons are not needed. Default answer is always no.
Yes, but it would be a soft fork, so we would need to do more than just not update.
You are the beacon! We listen to your take on almost everything freedom tech! Even in the jungle.
Freedom is a path less travelled by most 🙏
IBD has taken too long for awhile now. ZK rollups are a real solution.
5s is just meant to mean “way to long” for any computer, 5000ms is an eternity.
Bitcoin has no intrinsic value
Absolutely 💯
THERE IS 0 REASON TO ACTIVATE CAT WHEN CTV IS WAY LESS RISKY, IF WE WANT COVENANTS
GOOD CONVERSATION TOPIC NEXT TIME @DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞INVITES @npub1mxrs...0htc TO SHILL HIS BAG OF CATS ON @Bitcoin.Review
this is true. all value is subjective
12000 txn/block x 5s = 17 hours
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Point taken. But then miners couldn’t verify such a block in 10 minutes either, so it would never be added.
you don't have to, miners can activate it anyway
Noderunners are more important now than ever.
BITCOIN CONSENSUS IS NOT DICTATED BY TWITTER.
WILL NOT UPDATE ANY OF MY NODES TO SUPPORT OP_CAT.
WILL TREAT ANY ATTEMPT TO PUSH THROUGH ACTIVATION AS HOSTILE.
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What’s a Twitter, is it on Umbrel?
Do you have a podcast episode covering this topic? I’m not well informed on this issue.
what is OP_CAT?
idk what any of these words mean but yasssss
Thats not true at all if that were true segwit 2x would have easily been included into the chain, the sad truth for morons who don't understand how Bitcoin works is that economic nodes control Bitcoin not mining nodes. And the economic nodes are made up of a decentralized majority of long term hodlers who dont like to pass through bullshit because some centralized dev team told them to.
Shinobi talking with Peter
WE SHOULD ALL SAY FUCK THAT TO OP_CAT
BITCOIN CONSENSUS IS NOT DICTATED BY TWITTER.
WILL NOT UPDATE ANY OF MY NODES TO SUPPORT OP_CAT.
WILL TREAT ANY ATTEMPT TO PUSH THROUGH ACTIVATION AS HOSTILE.
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Indeed
Have someone who is pro and someone who is anti OP_CAT on citadel dispatch and discuss please
Denial of service is only one problem, perverting miner incentives with MEV is THE problem imho.
More importantly, OP_CTV opens up all sorts of possibilities, with none of these concerns.
We really need to stop trying to change things, it’s already perfect.
Cats are the devil.
Humans always find a way to harm a good thing.
OP_CAT + OP_CTV = recursive #covenants = immutable on-chain KYC for #Bitcoin
Seriously, who can be in support of this?
First I have heard of it. Probably cause I'm NOSTR ONLY
I am sad to hear that. As Andrew Poelstra says OP_CAT (with added limitations to fix the issues why it was disabled by Satoshi), is probably one of the smallest and safest soft forks we can do. It is just a few lines of code. If we can't do even this, it's very bad. We have to overcome the ptsd trauma from segwit activation drama.. All these recently proposed opcodes are MUCH smaller scope of changes that Taproot or Segwit softforks. And we can't frweez development of L1 of we want to support self custody for more people. It's either L1 continues to develop of custody solutions for most users.
I heard just yesterday that the Ordinals crowd has been inspired to Rev up nodes. Over 1000. They are serious.
The ordinals people are running nodes. They are quite motivated and I’ve heard 1000 new node runners have come directly from it.
True, but meme coins like dogecoin started as a joke.
Finding subjective value in dogecoin is like trying to make a living as a stand up comedian by asking, "Why did the chicken cross the road?"
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From my know nothing eyes seems like a gateway to CBDC attributes- on top of bitcoin(?)
OP CAT (?): ‘agreements built into your Bitcoins, ensuring they can only be spent under specific conditions – like only after a certain date or to a particular address’
This 👆🏼already exists within certain fiat circles - and in my direct experience - is a nightmare. Some things can’t be fixed.
Hard NO
Nailed it on PTSD. The outrage against OP_CAT is out of proportion relative to the scope of the change.
But at this point it’s tribal warfare. Doubtful it will get a fair hearing.
Every address encodes spending conditions. Typically the condition is “can sign”.
When you make a wallet, you opt into whatever conditions you want to put on those addresses. Single sig, multisig, timelocks, etc.
Providing more script functionality doesn’t change this. You still opt into whatever conditions you want for addresses you make and give out.
“It’s just a few lines of code” is already a red flag
Intrinsic value adds noise to pure price signal
No it's not, it's important context that many people don't know. Compared to segwit and Schnorr that were huge. You can reason much more easily about small code change. Of course that itself doesn't make it safe, but it is important to know this.
odell signaling support for team slow steady, prefers bip300 drivechains to op_cat drivechains:
BITCOIN CONSENSUS IS NOT DICTATED BY TWITTER.
WILL NOT UPDATE ANY OF MY NODES TO SUPPORT OP_CAT.
WILL TREAT ANY ATTEMPT TO PUSH THROUGH ACTIVATION AS HOSTILE.
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It's a war on #bitcoin by decentralized evil.
https://mirror.xyz/shreme.eth/Y6mi9enyvdtmTXYyaaFXxr5LpoQO4I-P11UyEfmpBNE
Interesting…
First reply ever with context for understanding…appreciate you!
Gonna hack your node and update it to include op_cats like this one 
this is how Bitcoin consensus work: the default answer to any change proposal is NO. Then we might talk about it.
Oh, now it's any cheap proposal not default answer
So the bad actor just need to promote good proposals in an ugly way to DDOS bitcoin development? Is it that easy?
No it isn’t. Bitcoin doesn’t scale in current state. It’s perfect if you like custodial bitcoin and ETFs
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Don’t touch the protocol. Layer 2/3 solutions is all you need.
Yes please @ODELL
you know derek mad when he bust out the "dawg" hahaha
im where ur at dawg
why do i feel another block size war coming on?
I just got done reading the book and it’s exactly the same
eerie
some would say the market cost to produce would be a form of intrinsic value
yes, where (what off ramps) I will sell for value would be where I point hash, nodes, protocols, etc. in a fork
There’s a lot of people who aren’t ordinals people who like OP_CAT
https://medium.com/blockstream/cat-and-schnorr-tricks-i-faf1b59bd298
They motivated and they believe in what they’re doing, which sounds absurd to me, but they are getting it together and running Bitcoin. What the hell are we doing?
bitching about safety and harassment. you know, freedom larping.
Some would be wrong. All value is subjective. The amount of energy and depreciating capitol miners are willing to apply to generating bitcoin, plus a small margin, dictates the sale price of new coins.
🤣 yep
i don't follow why subjective value and intrinsic value can't coexist in concept or perhaps I'm just confused on this thread
@ODELL
Hearing you with bitcoin design talk about how you don't discuss or put energy into soft forks that aren't merged. Why this comment then?
BITCOIN CONSENSUS IS NOT DICTATED BY TWITTER.
WILL NOT UPDATE ANY OF MY NODES TO SUPPORT OP_CAT.
WILL TREAT ANY ATTEMPT TO PUSH THROUGH ACTIVATION AS HOSTILE.
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stupid scripts. the utility is currency and the feature is settlements. Anything else isn't needed.
We are not talking about software; we are talking about a protocol for separating money and state.
Still software
Looking forward to the airdrop. Then you will realize it’s not.
Do you have any fucking idea what code is or are you yet another wannabe cypherpunk in this god awefull space?