Some thoughts on spotting racists after they found their way into my replies the last few days. I'm sharing because I see some people who I've never seen post anything racist following racist accounts. Benefit of the doubt, maybe they don't have the skills to spot a modern racist.
Rhetoric: The art or study of using language effectively and persuasively.
That is the difference between a modern vocal racist and what many picture. They aren't happy to just be amongst themselves anymore. They are actively working on how they communicate to market their cause and beliefs to outsiders. They know which aspects of their beliefs to lead with and which to keep to themselves until later. It is active and intentional to create a slippery slope for people they are targeting.
You can't change them but you can take a moment to understand how your mind works and how they exploit it to begin bringing you into their world.
Top down vs bottom up reasoning. You will default to one or the other, you can overcome your default but it requires conscious effortful thought.
Most neurotypical people view the world via top down reasoning by default. This means that they see a forest and their brain fills in that it must be made of individual trees. They don't really see the trees. A fake tree won't be spotted unless it is super obvious or they are carefully looking.
Most neurodivergent people see the world bottom up. They see trees and if they see enough in one place their brain fills in that it must be a forest. This makes it easier to spot out of place things in the forest, though I admit it has downsides not relevant to this conversation. This is why autistic people are stereotyped for their attention to detail. They literally see details that are invisible to neurotypical people.
So back to the rhetoric. They know that you won't identify as a racist (forest) on day one. You want to be a meadow because most of society dislikes forests. So they hook you on a shallow racist belief, maybe something you don't even realize has ties to racist ideas. I'm not a racist but... I'm a meadow but there is this one bush or small tree.
Top down thinking allows you to see a field with a few trees on it because they are small details that would upset your top level view that this is a field. Bottom up thinking says that's a tree so that can't be a field.
In that way they will try to plant one small racist belief at a time, but slowly in a way that allows you to keep saying "I'm not a racist but" until one day you wake up and all the grass is gone.
Step 1 that I see over and over is attempting to use your kindness against you to get into your circle. Excluding me for being racist would be discrimination, you aren't a bigot are you? "I'm not a racist but I have a couple of racist friends." Next they'll start to push the community and family first aspects, with the quiet part being white community and white family but we'll get to that later. Who wants to break up families and local communities, not me, but they'll pretend they have a monopoly on valuing those things. So on and so on 1 little thing at a time.
Each tree or bush you let them plant drops seeds they can water later. This is why effective defenses come from a hard line drawn to exclude them from your life. If you keep company with racists you can't be friends with certain other people, I'm one of those other people. So, let a racist in and lose another friend. Repeat a few times and next thing you know all your friends are racists.
I'm watching who follows who as I inevitably get brigaded for this post. If you are the person following them letting them into my WoT, be warned that unfollows and blocks are coming. Choose the company you keep wisely. Depending how annoyed I feel in a couple of days I may or may not name and shame with a public list of who among my follows is still causing a problem.
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Are you trying to be left alone are you trying to censor people from others?
One is a form of defense, say "live and let live" while the other is a form of attack.
Maybe we can all get to know more about you.
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The otherwise weirdo communities typically see an over representation of neurodivergents.
I'm happy to chat about it if you are curious but I will warn that finding out as an adult is a wild ride and you won't be the same person after. I think the long term effects are positive but it is over time and with some work. It has to be part of a broader self discovery effort.
Then again everyone is unique and what I said about top down and bottom up is just the most common.
Though now I'm wondering if I wrote all that in response to a subtle joke about being a bottom.
Some valid and insightful points made. The only bit I'm not sure I see the same as you is the desire of the modern racist to convert. I get there's a slight pull for it, as it would make them more comfortable to share closer beleifs (particularly ones you can't speak about too freely), but you seem to paint a more active mission than I observe to be the case, at least with the average one.
The point about acting as though they have a monopoly on certain values was on point imo
A parrot that quotes Socrates is still just a parrot, not a philosopher. Many of them are just idiots copying a style of talk they don't understand. For proof, I have replies to this post attempting to use the exact techniques I explained on me. Anyone capable of coherent independent thought would move on or vary their tactics.
The origins of the approach are David Dukes successful attempts to create a more marketable Klan. Decades on the average internet poster is just talking in the way their buddies talk that won them over. Literally a meme passing on in a host incapable of understanding how or why it replicated. It makes them feel smart because it tricks people who aren't wise to the game and have their guard down.
My experience is they truly believe it worked on them so it should work on everyone. When it doesn't work, they all reach the same conclusion. Which is why every racist online that gets stood up to by a nym will eventually assume that the other person must be a minority, any white person would obviously see it their way if only they were told.
Yeah, I read your exchange about David duke a while back. I am familiar with the style, but didn't know it was traceable.
There were hints for sure but I didn't know until adulthood and I didn't take it seriously for years after that. I'm still deep in the weeds of sorting out what that means for me and learning more about it.
I don't have any formal diagnosis, but I'm sure. I've taken a few of the tests that are publicly available and my results range from definitely to wow, you don't need a handler?
Supposedly the best way researchers have found to identify undiagnosed neurodivergent people who will test positive is go through the close chosen social circles of known diagnosed people.
The default path is neurotypical. Much of the information about how to do things is neurotypical written. Sometimes it doesn't matter. Sometimes it is the hardest possible path for the way my brain works.
So I journal and meditate and look for sticking points in my life. When I find them I try to reflect on why. Maybe it is just stressful, maybe I'm beating my head against a neurotypical approach and need to find a way that works for my brain.
It is mostly about masking and executive function.
Masking is a ton of work and stress. Not pretending to be neurotypical when I don't absolutely need to makes my life so much easier.
Executive function is huge. The way neurodivergent brains engage in tasks is wildly different than neurotypicals. This means that tons of advice for how to overcome procrastination is entirely wrong for example.
There is a huge stress gap between 0 and a meltdown or shutdown. It isn't binary. Every thing I do that keeps me closer to 0 makes all of the rest of life easier.
Even if you aren't, learning about it can help you get better at co regulating for your wife. That would improve the lives of your entire family.
Lots of older information about neurodivergent people is written by neurotypical people who had the primary goal of making us appear normal so that we don't make them uncomfortable with our weirdness. The internal state or mental wellbeing of the person is not considered at all in the process.
Today, still, the vast majority of American insurance companies have ABA therapy as the only approved treatment. ABA was invented by the same guy who invented gay conversion therapy and uses the same methods. Coincidentally, that same man was later caught checking into a hotel with a male prostitute half his age. The ABA governing board only just banned electroshock therapy less than five years ago.
If you know any information about the long term mental health outcomes of gay conversion therapy patients, ABA has the same record for autistics. A compressed spring only looks smaller until it gets compressed too far and things explode. In this case the explosion would be you or your wife's mental health. It was my mental health and it was bad. Years lost and I'm still not better.
That's a long way of saying, ignore the DSM and most shrinks unless they are very carefully chosen. They don't have internal wellbeing at the heart of their methods. There are tons of communities and content creators who are neurodivergent themselves and have built their own data about what works for them to feel better and be able to move around the world more comfortably. That is where you'll find helpful information.
I was never in ABA proper, but I did have a rough enough time. Details may be doxy but probably not because I hear it is super common.
Even past that it just wears you down to not know and try to force yourself to be normal. Burnout is super common and it is more extreme and harder to recover from if you don't see through to the root cause.
I have literally lost IQ, concentration, and physical skills to burnout. That's when I finally started taking it seriously.
Just to be clear.
You can put me at the top of the list for calling out Black people who are in the media, murdering, raping, robbing, stealing, selling dope. If you don't wish to see such, I suggest you don't check the news and block me. I am going to keep it up.


The neo-liberal globalist conditioning is breaking down in the minds of many as pattern recognition begins to override it, but it is still strong in this one. I bet he proudly lined up for the COVID jab multiple times as well.
I don't care. I know that sounds crazy, I just don't carry the emotional weight of it like many would. Weirdly that doesn't stop me from having PTSD irrational responses to things today from those past experiences. I also don't carry any emotional attachment to that. Just a problem to slowly chip away at.
Maybe I'm also a benign psychopath.
It's safe AND effective, okay?
I follow certain accounts just to get under the skin of people like this. Typical autistic behaviour, trying to police what others do when it doesn't involve them.
I hate niggers and I want to literally kill nigger babies. I want to bash nigger baby skulls onto the pavement. I want to take an icepick and gouge out nigger baby eyes
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