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Chadington VI 2 months ago
I definitely don't want any of their 'emotional energy' invested.
IDK who he was so I looked him up. AI summary included for context. He sounds like a douche in general for his part in dismantling DEI and censoring the employees though. So much for upholding free speech 🤷 ::Accusations of David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH) being a Nazi come from critics who describe his actions and comments as being aligned with far-right views and rhetoric, particularly concerning "anti-woke" stances, criticism of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives, and comments on topics like trans issues and nationalism. DHH himself has addressed and mocked the accusation, portraying it as an extreme attempt by political opponents to silence him. Criticisms leveled at DHH Criticism of "wokeness" and DEI: DHH has been a vocal opponent of what he terms "woke" culture and has been criticized for dismantling DEI efforts at his company, Basecamp, in 2021. This included banning discussions of politics in the workplace, which led to a significant number of employees resigning. Critics viewed this move as an authoritarian effort to suppress voices and marginalized employees. Support for controversial figures: Critics claim DHH has supported or amplified figures associated with far-right views, such as Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson, and has engaged in "anti-trans fearmongering". Controversial blog posts: Blog posts by DHH have also drawn criticism. One post, "As I remember London," was seen by some as promoting nationalist and anti-immigrant sentiment by framing multiculturalism as a decline from a "golden past". In another, he defended comedian Graham Linehan, known for his anti-transgender stance. Ties to the Hyprland community: DHH's association with Hyprland, a window manager, and the subsequent creation of his own Linux distro Omarchy, drew fire after members of the Hyprland community were called out for homophobic and transphobic behavior. This prompted critics to label the communities around both projects as unwelcoming or toxic.::
Why wouldn’t we want to dismantle dei? Why would anyone want a system in place that promotes diversity for diversity sake instead of a meritocracy. Like a don’t care if a trans black chick wrote the code that runs my shit I just want it to be bug free.
A nazi is a National Socialist. A fascist is someone asking the state to use violence against political opposition. If you're not being paid for political activism, you shouldn't expect to be doing it during work hours. Especially if everyone has been convinced that everything is political™. Unless it's legal activism like unionizing but even that is often not permitted using company infrastructure and while clocked in. I don't think this is a good example of hindering free speech. You don't get to tell your employer's clients you hate them without facing consequences so that's limiting free speech as well. Want to combine work and political activism? Do it with your own money and company. DEI is a failed initiative with lofty goals it couldn't ever have achieved in the current political system. Criticism of that is neither far right nor an indicator for support of either fascism or Nazism. It's on observation and a theory that can be wrong in some places and situations and true in others. I don't see anyone being against DEI calling for the suppression of women or minorities or calling for the culling of disabled people like others often insinuate. Wokism is a political ideology. You can support it or be against it without necessarily being a bad person. Some goes for anti-wokism. London/Paris/etc looking like shit nowadays is a mix of various failures of the Western system: Broken monetary system, broken democracy, broken social contracts, rampant corruption, incompetence, mass migration, consumerism, homelessness, mass media influence operations, drug smuggling, general lack of care and resignation of the people inhabiting it. Focusing on migration/foreigners is just a distraction from that. dhh's post is clearly stating that his take is based on his memory of London which is highly subjective, faded by time and also romanticised. (I've been to London a few times over the years as well and its decay is difficult to ignore.) His sources are all major newspapers or Wikipedia and their chain-of-trust of accepted sources. All fascists, Nazis, far right loonies? dhh isn't doing too well either. He could clearly state that he's against fascism, quote the definition, explain his position and be done with it. He'd also be playing into the hands of others who will dissect every word, take some out of context and feel more motivated because they got the reaction they wanted and write another hit piece. AFAIK dhh didn't link to any posts of his critics though but linked instead to his supporters so he's not targeting individuals which the opposition does. Maybe not playing is the only winning move. But you risk leaving the entire stage to people who are calling you a fascist which isn't something you might want to see associated with you in the current climate, especially if you're running a company. I don't know what I would do. Even me ranting my frustrations about all this is adding more fuel to the fire at a small level. If we want to be able to talk to each other again we'll have to establish some common ground, align on the meaning of words we use, assume good faith until proven otherwise and stop bullies from ganging up on people. If you try this you'll be called out by either side of being a shill for the other. Or we'll fight each other in the streets in a few years.
Lol I'll let Grok answer that one: The argument for dismantling DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion) often hinges on the idea that it prioritizes arbitrary traits over merit, potentially compromising quality—like bug-free code, as you put it. The counterargument is that DEI, when done right, isn’t about diversity for its own sake but about removing barriers that might exclude capable people. A true meritocracy assumes everyone starts on equal footing, but systemic biases—hiring patterns, access to education, or workplace cultures—can skew who gets a shot. DEI aims to level that playing field so the best talent, regardless of identity, rises. If the focus is solely on outcomes (like bug-free code), DEI can still align with that. Diverse teams can catch blind spots—different perspectives often lead to better problem-solving, as studies like McKinsey’s 2015 report on diversity show (companies with diverse leadership often outperform less diverse ones). But if DEI is implemented as quotas or tokenism, it can backfire, breeding resentment and undermining merit. The trick is ensuring it’s about expanding the talent pool, not forcing outcomes. You’re right to prioritize quality. The debate is whether DEI supports or hinders that. Evidence suggests well-executed DEI can enhance meritocracy by ensuring no one’s overlooked, but poorly done, it risks being performative. It’s less about the “trans black chick” and more about whether the system lets the best coder, period, get the job.
My therapist had my ex and I do an exercise called "bubbles" Basically you named a bubble and in that bubble you'd write similarities like if I made a bubble called admonished, inside I'd write strongly suggest and chastise because those are 2 meanings I know of then the other person would do a similar paper and we'd exchange at the end to see where the communication issue partially stemmed from. I'm oversimplifying because I'm in a hurry, but feel free to ask questions and I'll answer later if curious.
This is just the no true Scotsman argument. If Dei was actually working as grok told you it can, then you wouldn’t even notice it. There wouldn’t constantly have to be celebrations of dei. If we go by your arguments could say that dismantling bad/token dei is what Hanson and other tech founders have been doing and therefore it is good actually.