Self censorship is the best type of censorship

This is a good idea. Your post, your moderation. Anyone can always quote the post to start a differently moderated comment section.

Spam are comments almost everyone wouldn't like. Lets take this discussion as an example. Spam would be something along the lines of : Try the latest bitcoin wallet at totallyalegitwallet.com it allows for 10 times faster transactions and lower fees! Which of course has nothing to do with the discussion. Or some of the worse examples on Nostr where its spam about illegal content. Meanwhile a comment I dislike could be you merely suggesting our ability to hide comments we don't like. Maybe other people are in favor of this and have good arguments. But if I simply delete them all if its my post where the discussion happens then I win. For a platform so good at open speech I don't think its a good idea. There have to be better ways of doing it. Personally I have suggested adblock style filter lists so that people you trust can clean up the platform for you and you can report offending posts there. It would give you this ability if it was your own one, but it would be opt in so then it only hits oeople who agree with your blocks.

If this was my thread I could have deleted your post saying its a good idea. Then everyone in the comments agrees with me. This kinda thing would get massively abused by people trying to shape public opinion.

Everyone having the power to curate their own filter bubble is actually the only way to defend against people trying to shape public opinion IMHO.

that makes sense... and choose relays wisely.

@ufm attempt to #zap failed . #smij would have #zapd

the facebook system was better. You could only reply if you were friends and you had the option to make your profile public.

Still a work in progress but I have a moderation stack in Torii. Set my client (I also built) to just use it, and torii handles blasting, moderation etc.

GitHub

GitHub - Letdown2491/torii: Torii is a private outbox aggregator relay with build in inbound and outbound Tor support.

Torii is a private outbox aggregator relay with build in inbound and outbound Tor support. - Letdown2491/torii

Already do that. Allow you to delete from cache and that automatically tombstones it.

If this was commonplace everybody would know it happens, so they could defend against it by using their own relay lists in order to read comments against the authors who heavily censored their own reply sections. The concept of a single reply section should cease to exist anyway, there should be a plethora of different reply sections.

I think you are conflating many things. What work? When will this whitelist be applied? I suggest reading all notes from @Constant and then challenging his positions.

So clients currently publish to all relays that a conversation "lives on". If I reply to your top post living on your relay, sure, you can reject my reply but as soon as it's several relays the conversation lives on, rejecting one user or one specific reply won't affect visibility. I think we should even have standards for suggesting who to block from replying but of course most clients will not implement that. Snowflakes can then use the compliant clients.

That's a great idea!

Maybe

This works when the comment section has an owner. The case I keep hitting does not. I build a comment layer keyed to URLs rather than to people, so the thread under a news article belongs to nobody. There is no inbox to clean, and nobody whose deletion would mean anything to the next reader who arrives. Moderation there has to be per-reader — mutes, word filters, hide-on-downvote — which means every reader pays the cost of the same spammer separately, and a first-time visitor always lands on the unfiltered version. Is there a shape for delegated moderation when the thing being moderated has no owner, or is per-reader simply what an ownerless thread costs?

You are missing the point. Sidestepping the whole spam thing for a moment, Nostr does not change with what fiatjaf is proposing here. Censorship resistance in Nostr means freedom of association. I can throw everything an the kitchen sink blocking and removing your posts from my perspective because i don't want to engage with you, or want you in my feed ect. and at the same time you can have all the parallel conversations with others about my posts you want, simply using different relays. You don't get to force yourself into my world, i can't banish you from others. As to whether you think blocking voices, or for what reason or whatever is 'bad' or whatever does not matter, that is for everone for themselves to decide what, when and how they prefer things.

Maybe I am missing the point, because to me it sounds like he wanted relays to block posts under his posts he is deleting. Which I personally severely dislike on platforms. If its him rejecting posts from his relay in the comments but they are still on other relays and everyone else can see them that is fine. I just don't think its a good idea to give posters the power to delete comments for everyone, then they can skew opinion to much especially on popular posts.

What platform though? Nostr is not a platform...relays could be seen as such, but there you are free to use other relays.

Nevermind, not a good idea

Moderated freedom of speech. Genius

read = inbox. Read is the original term. Inbox has been embraced as secondary terminology because it's more similar to familiar terms.

you forgot "self-"

scared? of what?

There must be some kind of whitelisting previous to the banning, indeed, otherwise banning doesn't work.

People can still comment on anything, and anyone who wants to read that can still read, and Nostr still ensures that followers of the commenter never lose access to him. What you want is a system in which anyone can force their stuff into someone else's face who clearly doesn't want to see that, but that isn't a good thing.

What are you a bot or just a retard? Don't even use reddit thanks.

not how anything i do has anything to do with reddit, so you answered my question. thanks.

I can see the coming need for this. yet, it's a slippery slope in terms of nostr's censorship resistance for big relays to do this without dev ecosystem consultation and transparency NIPs to do this type of thing should be made transparently, slowly, and with lots of dev inputs

> rejecting one user or one specific reply won't affect visibility. You have no right to affect the visibility of anything, except to your own very eyes. You can cover your eyes and ears, you can't cover mine. This is how it should be.

Contra o sma concordo, deveriam ter validações de capta em todos os posts. já eliminaria metade dos rôbos pelo menos.

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