I've been using the upcoming new @White Noise app more than signal for the last couple weeks. Not just testing stuff, actual real use cases. The hermes connector is amazing, it makes the app so useful. Can't wait to get this over the finish line and share with y'all. Sorry again that it's been forever since the last whitenoise release, but we really want to get it right this time. The main issue still is group reliability, we've made massive progress, but we can still make it better, and it's better to do these consensus changes before we release. We're spending most time now to make sure group convergence is solid, and we keep adding cool UX and features to the app until the underlying spec and library work matures. This means when we release, the apps will not only be reliable in sending messages to large groups, but also that it'll have more features than most messenger apps. It'll be a massive release. Give us two more weeks ™️ and you'll see.

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Thank you for your work. Using Signal at the moment, but can’t wait to try White Noise in the future 💜 Only thing will be to convince my family once again, Signal was already a stretch for them 😂
Yeah, sucks to migrate... That's why #1 it has to work. And then have cool features that the old app doesnt have. We're trying to tackle both in the next release.
Thanks for explaining in such a concise way 🙏 Looking forward, whether White Noise group reliability will in practice become reliable without introducing centralized coordination. Cutting-edge technology indeed. It appears my main misconception about Cordn was that it allows multiple coordinators per group at the same time (yet that would still be some kind of a centralized coordination but with a leader election, similar to what Cassandra-like databases do). @Besao I don't know whether it's possible with the current Cordn design; just curious, have you possibly considered having multiple coordinators per group which can choose a leader (to make it less dependent on the reliability of a single yet switchable one)?
Yes, Cordn is designed the way it is to allow exactly this: a leader or preferred coordinator per group that keeps everything in order and avoids races that might occur when multiple sources have competing or out‑of‑order commits. It isn’t implemented yet, but it will be, we haven’t put much work into it so far because it’s an advanced feature that only power users will need, and we wanted to polish the UI/UX first. It will definitely come. But make it work reliable and have a good UX semeed what users request the most
Im not sure if this is the same app i recently tried or not. It was a fork of signal that included bitcoin. Maybe im wrong, if this is something different please let me know. When the other app i tried ported my number and signal account, i got locked out of my signal account for 7 days, dont want to repeat that. Looks like this one doesnt use phone numbers at all, so im probably just having PTSD, will look into it more...sorry for the confusion... some of us are desperate for a higher standard than signal or telegram without losing the familiar and intuitive UX
Ah, you're talking about Radar. It uses signal infrastructure, and that means your limited to use the network only from exactly one phone. You can't create an account on the laptop, and not have the same account in multiple phones, or multiple accounts in the same phone. That's one of the big complaints I have with Signal, and exactly why we started @White Noise So regarding this concern of yours, you won't get new PTSD here!
Cool to hear about Hermes/OpenClaw integration! So basically can use whitenoise to chat with your agents rather than through telegram?
This should be a perfect fit for my grapheneOS setup! However, until the app supports amber login, Im going with a compartmentalized separate fresh npub for now and placing it in my nostr bio. Here it is if you want to add me! Excited about the potential here! npub15l42sn4y574722anya2amefatmzmffpeh49kghr0j4rjlhkxyrrqcpw0xm
Has a single coordinating key been implemented already in Marmot? I'd imagine that this is desired in some use cases and serves as a good starting point.
For example, if Alice creates a group, she can act as the admin without a need for consensus; coordinating messages can be distributed across several relays. No?
The reliability of message delivery of commit messages is the main difficulty, even in the case of a single admin?
A structured network strategy to sync Nostr relays I think can greatly help the persistance and reliability of messages. Negentropy is a huge help. For example, if all admins independently run relays and have write policies exclusive to members/admins, the relays can sync and secure only those messages between each other. Strfry has some support here with a router. However, last I remember, the features were new and could be optimized. I would need to look again.
Yes, and now do this with relays on the phone and fips connection between them, cypherpunk future is now.
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sjoerd 3 hours ago
Why is the official place to download it from? The website is pointing to archived read-only github for apk standalone (which is also used by zapstore). The new android specific page has no releases yet?