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A lot of us react that way just for the giggles.
Can you send one you like? I thought it was a cute one... Amy-style :)
I made sure to participate in the outrage with no actual complaints to make
Anything you would do differently?
And with a dev that responds everyone is way easier
you might as well remove the blocked relays list as it does not work, at least that'll be one less relay list to worry about
With current resources? Not really. I wish we could move faster, but it is what it is
No, we will fix it.
wen ios version
Frankly, I didn't even participate much. Lots of uses were replying to each other and their answers were great.
When I finish with the Android version. :)
Default settings seem fine.
Agreed in principle. This could also apply to Linux OSes, from the POV of Windows users. It's probably why everyone is still awaiting (and maybe will forever be awaiting) The Year Of The Linux Desktop. UX matters, maybe more than anything else. Most people don't want to be empowered, sadly. They just want to do what they want to do without jumping through needless hoops or relearning everything from zero all over again. Can't really say I blame them, life in 2025 isn't exactly easy. Meanwhile, Google took the Linux kernel, made it idiot-proof and captured most of the mobile device market with Android, and gouged out a larger market share for Desktop than any single Linux distro with Chrome OS. What, If anything, Can We all learn from Google? 🤔
I really admire your work and your attitude.
I wish there was an iOS version to use!
I'm not stupid, yeah!
Real talk: I treat relays like "infrastructure." I honestly don't care which ones I'm on or not on, I just want my notes to be spread to people who might want to see them.
I suspect this is going to be the "default" approach for most new users...
Yep, but if you don't know which relays are doing that, you are just feeding the same algorithms and sales platforms of big tech. Hopefully we can make people aware and empower them to pick and easily move between relays.
amethyst users > cattle
technology was meant for learning
I'm using Amethyst. Is it supposed to be broken?
A mistake I made when building an app was assuming users are dumb, they're not
The strange chicken and egg problem there is that- How do users know what they want to do with their computer unless they know what it can do?
Centralized platforms like Google, and Microsoft tell the user what they can do with their products. Linux distros allow the user to do anything they want but if the solution isn't prebuilt, the user has to build it.
This is literally the premise of the rules of the Matrix. You CAN do whatever you want. But if you ask the system what you can do, it will tell you a very limited featureset.
People like nice things, not dumb things.
3 of your replies on this post look like youre talking to yourself and i have no idea y
Yeah, it's one of the bugs I am trying to hunt down.
Coming back, all the original replies are there, so maybe a spinner would just make the ux more obvious if its juat that your reply loaded prior to the note its in reply to
The reason it didn't crash and burn for me was, that it just worked without me needing to touch anything after the update. The Relay-Ui definitely needs to be a lot streamlined/simplified tough, any non overly technical user will run for the hills when he encounters the first problem... Btw. I like your innovative ideas a lot, lot, lot ...so don't read that as criticism please, it's work in progress of course!
I don't understand the Amethyst relay system. It's working so I don't touch it. The only annoying thing is some wine relay asking for money all the time.
Well, some people actually like it, which I found quite shocking lol.
Basically, my thinking is you're gonna potentially turn off more people with that banner image because it's AI and it's bitcoin-y. But no one will see that and think, oh I'm definitely going to stay.
If I were you I would commission @npub1tx5ccpregnm9afq0xaj42hh93xl4qd3lfa7u74v5cdvyhwcnlanqplhd8g to make a default banner.
(Have an ostrich, or an Amy if you must lol, avoid the bitcoin.)
What’s Amy? And I’d love to do some banners. No bitcoin and maybe a bunch of nostriches over and over again all with different hats and personalities
Amy is the AMethYst mascot thing, unfortunately it's AI slop rubbish lol.
@Vitor Pamplona how many ostriches would you like? I could make 21.
Or what if a lot of artists makes nostriches that are new npub profile pics
@Rustypuppy @Pickle Dan 🥒 @Noshole @BitPopArt
And there’s a bank of 100 of them and it’s a random one?
I don't know why Victor wouldn't have something amethyst-y ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I guess I'd rather get "all of the notes" server-side and then decide what I do or don't want client-side.
Then just use Twitter :) the beauty of Nostr is to not rely on any server doing that. Otherwise, there are alfar better protocols out there if the server is allowed to assemble your feed.
What I'm talking about is using the *client* to decide the algorithm, or perhaps open-source DVMs, not the server. Twitter is everything decided by black-box algo.
I.e. Coracle with advanced filtering methods, etc.
But these models still just say "give me all the notes", and then filter (by my own choice) what comes through at the client level.
you'll also only ever attract a very small percentage of the population though. if we want everyone to use nostr this approach ain't gonna work
I do software sales and software testing along with some UI/UX. Perhaps your audience is not meant to be normal users. But you definitely need to be a strong Nostr user to remotely understand what is happening.
It’s really complicated for normal users. Far too many settings and options. You shouldn’t have to learn about this stuff just to install and use an app.
But benefit of the doubt. Perhaps you’re only looking to serve power users.
The old way is way more complicated. People need to keep tracking where their follows are posting to update their pull lists. On this one, you just inform where your posts are, where you want to receive notifications and after that is done and thats it. There is no need to setup which relays you want to use in the app to download posts from. Much easier.
It's better than what it was before on a non-outbox client, where users need to constantly check the relays their follows are using and update their lists accordily. In this one, it is set and forget. Just make sure your posts are there. The app does the rest.
Wow. Ok. If you’re hopping to onboard “normal” users. keep pushing for seamless startup experience. We as experienced users (and devs) understand the importance of relays. But new users should not have to understand what they are the first time they open a Nostr app. Most normal people aren’t going to want to learn. They just want their app to work. That’s what it is going to take for more adoption. Barriers to entry just means people will get frustrated and leave.
All this is intended to be constructive. You’ve built a ton of functionality, but it isn’t as easy as you make it sound. Remember not everyone has your life experience.
Makes sense. But if they don't understand which relays are hosting their content, there is absolutely no point on nostr. If they come to nostr just to use default servers of an app, that is not any different from a Twitter or Facebook. You only get any freedom if you control your posts, where they are. Otherwise, we didn't change anything. We can obviously hide these things away, but then we are not doing anything new here.
It's like using Bitcoin with custodial wallets. It's not that different from regular fiat.
I agree. But I think we can do like a Crawl. Walk. Run. Approach. Not everyone needs to know everything immediately.
I didn’t learn multi-sig wallets with mini-script restrictions first.
I learn how to buy. Then send to a hot wallet. Then how to generate cold wallets etc.
We need to build a path to sovereignty.
Yes but why would these "I don't need to know about relays early on" users even come to nostr in the first place?
You can't bring new users to nostr without a sales pitch, and as far as I can see there is no effective sales pitch that doesn't involve relays and the awareness of them. They're just so fundamental to nostr. Nothing is more fundamental. It's in the name.
Relays are to nostr what wallets are to bitcoin, not what multi-sig scripts are to bitcoin. Leaving the discovery of relays until later would be like bringing people to bitcoin but leaving the discover of wallets until later. ("I'll just keep it for you myself, my friend, until you ask where it is, and then at that point we can talk about what a wallet is").
typically when people refuse to learn, I find it's because they don't want to. that's when it's best not to force it on them by making choices for them, because that just leads to you (the developer in this case) doing it all for them. is that the responsibility you want? nostr i think is about user choice, how hard is that? not very..
