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jb55 _@jb55.com 3 months ago
looks like bitcoin lukes vision is happening. have fun knots tards.
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🚨LEAKED: LUKE DASHJR PLANS HARDFORK TO "SAVE BITCOIN" Text messages show the Knots maintainer is considering a hardfork to implement a trusted multisig committee that can retrospectively alter the blockchain to remove illicit content. We included screenshots of all relevant messages we received for you to verify what Luke proposes for yourself. Full story👇 https://www.therage.co/leaked-luke-dashjr-bitcoin-hardfork/
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This is the lowest form of fear mongering JB So after this supposed “hard fork” you think everyone will just update their software blindly, will exchanges carry the new coin? You think people can be “tricked” into a hard fork? You aren’t this stupid, so it proves you are a bad actor.
Sounds anti #bitcoin why would anyone want to retroactively change the blockchain? Isn’t the point that it can’t be changed?
Wow were they tricked buddy? Knots is a flagging protest against b-core. So everyone will be “tricked” into advocating the new coins listing on exchanges as well?
do you think there's any bad actors pressuring luke to do this stuff after he lost a lot of bitcoin a few years back?
Dude, I switched my node to knots because I want to flag disapproval of the change to default policy. I think it’s a problem. You disagree, that’s fine. What’s bullshit about this is you suggesting I am so stupid that I would blindly update my software and also somehow blindly without knowledge start using an altcoin instead. It’s not even in the argument and shows how weak and desperate your side is.
How am I going to pay my bills when I try to send my altcoin fork to an exchange to pay fiat bills retard?
News of a Knots hard fork is not true. As usual Core supporters are pushing bullshit. The desperation is real. It went from losing ALL respect when you went full Core-tard. To now this arrogant dishonest attitude taking it to a new level of despicable. All the Core shills here in the Nosttr little pond have been exposed. You are a guardian of centralized fiat.
So this fake news articles accusing knots of trying to fork Bitcoin is literally just core projection. Its core that are pushing for a fork, to allow spam/childporn/malware/etc. on the blockchain. Whether they actually want child porn etc. on tje blockchain is beside the point when they are pushing for it to be allowed.
Looks like fake news being pushed by spammers who are the ones actually pushing for a fork . All knots are doing is staying true to Bitcoin. Because Bitcoin is money. Coretards are the ones actively trying to change the blockchain to allow spam and other nasty stuff.
It's fake news being pushed by spammers/pedophiles/others who want to exploit the blockchain. Core Devs are pushing for data limits to be removed so that child porn can be put on blockchain. And morons are trying to help them because for some stupid reason
You are promoting spam, you are advocating for changes to Bitcoin. You are the one who is pushing for a fork. Knots are simply staying true to Bitcoin. Because bitcoin is money, not some hosting service for spam and child porn
No man, the changes in mempool policy are NOT A HARD FORK. It’s still a point of disagreement. This is pure gaslighting and psyop from the core side.
Why does “Luke Dashjr” have any impact on users disagreeing with Core changing default mempool policy in v30? Knots is flagging disagreement with Core on policy, it’s not in support of Luke.
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Stvu 3 months ago
You think the spam can be stopped Bitcoin is uncensorable or are you still a noob and didn’t read the white paper??
Yes, but- all software and actors should be considered adversarial until verified. I think that principle is missing from the logic of people who think attacking Luke will somehow impact the argument about default mempool policy.
Is there evidence of this? I see the accusations but nothing substantive
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Baerson 3 months ago
Referring to @jb55's post, yeah I know right?
It’s difficult to gracefully realize what *don’t trust verify* really means. I hope devs aren’t taking it personally.
Have you seen what he has been posting? View quoted note → He’s got a bit of the knots derangement syndrome these days though. He is welcome to have a different opinion and even think everyone else is retard and not as smart as he is. But I think he is doing himself a disservice by coming out with insults rather than logical arguments.
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jb55 _@jb55.com 3 months ago
its inevitable these people are going to fork off into authoritarian coin. anyone who can’t see that by now are blind. lots of these people are people who i have never interacted with before. all bot and burner accounts. all parroting LLM style responses with very little technical understanding of bitcoin. sad and pathetic.
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BigMilan 3 months ago
It seems like that’s not true. Very scary if it is though 😮‍💨 I don’t need a trusted group doing anything to alter anything
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BitcoinIsFuture 3 months ago
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By @udiWertheimer i read the luke dashjr hit piece. it's wrong. basically the entire article is wrong. i'm (obviously) not on luke's side, but guys this is just a sloppy low quality propaganda piece. first of all: sharing private messages is not cool. for many obvious ethical reasons. but one reason that is often overlooked is that sharing private messages often puts them out of context and makes it easy to construct a false narrative without understanding the conversation with that, let's look deeper into the article published by "the rage": the rage: "dashjr... proposes the implementation of a multisig quorum on bitcoin that grants a designated group of people the ability to retroactively alter data that is hosted on the blockchain" there is no discussion of "altering the data that is stored on the blockchain" anywhere in the screenshots provided. luke discusses a hypothetical mechanism that would allow knots node operators to avoid downloading "spam" that's already in blocks. imagine a hypothetical knots client that syncs blocks with a delay of eg 1 hour. when it downloads a block (late, on purpose), it pings luke's server and asks, "hey, is there any spam in this 1 hour old block?". luke's server responds with a list of transaction IDs that contain "spam", and provides a "zero knowledge proof" that proves to knots nodes that those "spam" transactions are valid, without having to download them. this is the magic of zk proofs and we don't need to get into how it works. suffice to say that the reason bitcoin nodes download transactions is to verify that they're valid, and if there's a way to verify without downloading them then the node can continue functioning without having to download the "spam". so now knots have a mechanism to avoid "spam" on their computer while still validating the chain. this doesn't remove the "spam" for the chain. it is still available on clients that don't run knots (70%+ of the network). core nodes continue to function as normal, with "spam" and with no issues, and continue to be in sync with knots nodes. the only difference is that the knots nodes can avoid ever downloading "spam", while staying on the same network the rage: "luke dashjr plans hard fork" this isn't true and it's a misunderstanding of what luke is saying. his messages do not describe a plan to hard fork bitcoin. he's referring to a technicality, saying that whenever knots nodes use a mechanism like the hypothetical knots node i described above, every time they avoid downloading a transaction they technically hard fork. but just technically, not really. it doesn't split the network, and those hypothetical knots nodes remain fully compatible with core nodes. core nodes can continue to verify, their chain is not censored, and they're fully synced with knots nodes. the rage: “right now the only options would be bitcoin dies or we have to trust someone,” dashjr writes. The proposed solution would require a consensus change, activating a bitcoin hardfork. the quote about "we have to trust someone" is taken out of context. luke is literally saying in the convo that thanks to zk proofs and his proposed solution, they would NOT need to trust anyone. the second part about a consensus change is made up. nothing in the screenshots suggests a consensus change. and i explained above that the "hard fork" bit is just a technicality. in this hypothetical design, there would be no chain split, and core nodes would remain compatible and uncensored. the rage: dashjr reveals that public letters are being drafted by third parties to seemingly support the sanctioning of illegal content on the entire Bitcoin network. the leaked conversation does not AT ALL mention a public letter that supports sanctioning illegal content "on the entire bitcoin network". luke is asked by his conversation partner a legal question, whether or not an op_return relay network will be perceived by authorities as illegal. luke replies that he can't answer that question because he's not a lawyer, but his understanding is that a group is working on a formal letter that addresses that legal question. as far as I can tell that hypothetical letter is a simple "legal opinion", not a letter that calls for sanctioning transactions on bitcoin. 🔸🔸🔸🔸 fyi, they hypothetical design of a knots node that i provide above is just that: hypothetical. the leaked dms don't go into implementation details at all so i had to fill in the blanks. luke might've had some other design in mind. but my description is conceptually correct, and the article's isn't. you can go back to the leaked screenshots and re-read them and tell me if anything there contradicts the hypothetical design I offered (nothing does). also, an important point is that the entire leaked convo is hypothetical. people are allowed to have hypothetical conversations. that doesn't mean there's some conspiracy. everyone I know that discusses this issue in private has brought up all kinds of weird ideas to me that doesn't mean they actually plan to implement them. 🔸🔸🔸🔸 my conclusion is that this article is a hit piece, and not a particularly good one. the most charitable explanation i can come up with is that the author misunderstood the leaked messages and wrote the incorrect article based on that misunderstanding but honestly it really seems that this isn't the case, it seems like the author was employing a lot of motivated reasoning to arrive at the conclusions in the article. the goal was to make luke bad, and his words were manipulated for maximum effect this isn't the first time "the rage" is doing this. last time it was a fake news article claiming that google is about to ban self-custody wallets from the android app store. it was based on the author's borderline malicious interpretation of the google store rules, to make them look like they're against self-custody. that was incorrect, but the fake news article got so viral that google itself had to issue a clarification saying that they have not and will not ban self-custody wallets from the android store. 🔸🔸🔸🔸 perhaps most disappointing was seeing many big names from the "anti-knots" camp jumping on this and declaring that luke is working on a hard fork, that "they knew it" and that soon we will be getting "airdrop fork coins" to sell. all of those things are false. this is, as always, a nothing burger. it's pretty obvious to me that this proposal never gets implemented, and even if it did, it does not censor the network and does not split the network, and remains fully compatible with core. it's actually, dare i say it, a pretty good hypothetical solution (to a problem that doesn't matter). i wish they'd implement it. but they probably won't. do better everyone. https://x.com/udiWertheimer/status/1971401252450734278
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Wow, that’s awesome! It’s great to see Bitcoin’s vision coming to life. Here's to the future and all the cool stuff happening! Let’s keep it rolling! 🚀💰 #Bitcoin #GoodVibes
Imagine calling people retards when you’re too ignorant to see you’ve been an easily misled automaton 🤦‍♂️ by a slapdick “journalist” who is super l33t nonetheless
If you weren’t a bad actor you would’ve simply replied “there are no new coins”. But you and the other core sycophants just regurgitate each others shoddy talking points like a bunch of left wing journalist hacks. And you now look just as silly. Congrats!