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No way make this mandatory on nostr I hope? Only the play store and apple store will get impossible to remain listed I guess
These laws all seem to be coordinated between countries.
The targeted sites and services laid out in Australia's laws are quite clear and I imagine this is what all governments are aiming for.
Anything that allows interaction between two or more users is a threat and must be controlled.
Not on Nostr, of course, as it's not a company or individual. But some Nostr-utilizing companies and individuals might get served papers. And, yeah, forget about getting listed in app stores.
And, now, the EU is planning on making apps unusuable, unless they are downloaded from Apple or Google app stores.
Yeah, the USA states have also been passing these laws. Even Texas!
Luckily I dont think they have power here. But they will need help with things like proxy relays if they begin catching on. Do relays communicate between each other?
Which means that we might need Nostr-capable hardware.
Do you have a source for that? Because last I heard its the opposite where the EU mandates sidelpading to be possible.
They only way to maintain control is in unison.
Just like the world all deciding at the same time that 6 feet was the magical distance to stop the flu.
Age verification to make phone calls incoming?
Technically there is a way. But its not going to be an effective way. The worst they can realistically do is try and block the relays or put an age restriction on the app store downloads. But we dont depend on the app stores and relays will be wackamole especially if people put up relay proxies.
We have that already in a way.
Impossible to get a sim card without registering the number with your ID and you can not do it if you are under 18.
Its very clear its coordinated. The real question is whats the source. Which summit did they plot it and in whose interest?
“Sorry ma’am but I am going to need to see some identification and a permit for that unlicensed hardware.”
Silent.link option?
I don't think this can /will be complied with by the small folk, UK Australia and EU can choose to fine those sites (idk how they do it outside jurisdiction) , or they can chose to ban them.
Which is fine by me, they can ban themselves and their citizens out of the free internet, they chose this.
Yes, but nostr is resistance, not compliance.
Yes, including in-app calls, like inside of Telegram or Signal.
I have never explored this. Seems like it is just for data plans. But there might be an esim option that works.
I am going to have to ask my lawyer if this is legal.
At least in the USA we still have our guns
I am jealous of you every day for this.
Sadly I can see things deteriorating to the point where you actually have to use them.
Sometimes I feel like there will be a point in the future where Americans will form freedoms last stand.
Thats why I am here. I participate in what I call ethical social media before this nonsense hits my country. I consider it ethical when its privacy respecting and decentral.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
It will be used as a tool most harshly against services that they do not like. And another barrier for anything new or disruptive to gain marketshare.
I could see them making the restrictions with big enough gaps that those who wish can slip through (like the faked face scans from videogames currently) but that still capture the masses into their compliance system.
Get fucked. I will literally stop using the Internet before I submit to any of this.
GA Nostr. I wonder what the eventual implications of this are for folks running personal relays like HAVEN.
I mean, I run a pretty clean and heavily moderated set of relays myself… No porn, self-harm content or anything of the sort.
One good thing about Nostr is that nobody has ever tagged me in any such content on Nostr (For those who say I’m unfair to Nostr: this has happened to me on the Fediverse… once… but still, it didn). If I were ever tagged by someone posting that kind of material, they'd be booted from my WoT pronto, and their content would of course be deleted from my relays.
Still, the question remains: do I need to implement any form of age checking right now? And even if not, if the UK government (or any other) decides that personal relays need to enforce age verification, what should we actually do?
Only the owner of the relay can write to the Outbox relay, so that should be fine (I think? Right?). Just don’t post stupid stuff. But what about the Inbox? How do we “age check” a bunch of bots and maybe a couple dozen people, most of whom are using pseudonyms and, let’s be honest, are unlikely to cooperate? Should I just give users a flag to disable the Inbox relay?
I have absolutely no idea what to do, or even whether this affects personal relays at all.
#GM #UKOnlineSafetyAct #haven #relay #personalRelay #ageVerification
Silberengel
We didn't choose this battle, Nostriches, but it might choose us.
Godspeed. 🫡
>> The age-verification rule isn't aimed solely at sex sites, but at any digital entity where racy content or other "harmful" speech could be found.
In addition to Bluesky, Reddit, X, Discord, and Grinder "have now announced they will deploy age assurance" schemes, Ofcom says.
Services had until last week to start complying or face serious financial consequences.
On Bluesky, this means submitting credit card information or submitting to a facial scan.<<
Reason.com
The age-gated internet is here
Goodbye, online anonymity.
Big Tech is the source. Same playbook as in finance: when your service degrades and disruptive competition emerges, start sponsoring politicians to create compliance rules that lock everyone else out. Then convince the public you're too big to fail and either back absolutism or promote "state sponsored socialism for billionaires, austerity for every else".
Bullish on freedom
Silberengel
We didn't choose this battle, Nostriches, but it might choose us.
Godspeed. 🫡
>> The age-verification rule isn't aimed solely at sex sites, but at any digital entity where racy content or other "harmful" speech could be found.
In addition to Bluesky, Reddit, X, Discord, and Grinder "have now announced they will deploy age assurance" schemes, Ofcom says.
Services had until last week to start complying or face serious financial consequences.
On Bluesky, this means submitting credit card information or submitting to a facial scan.<<
Reason.com
The age-gated internet is here
Goodbye, online anonymity.
Two women wearing the same shirt?
The nanny state will always assume the role that has been abdicated by parents.
Soon: "Before using this service please confirm that you are from on of the following countries: UK, USA, China, any EU country."
Problem solved. Then countries can ask ISP to block these service if they want/can but good luck enforcing that.
How are they hoing to do apps unusable? This is not clear to me...
The free internet died years ago, and was reborn in the dark.
#Tor #i2p
Errrrrr you use that pile of shite then?
Meanwhile in Australia
The laws were already passed in Australia, they come into effect in December.
Children 16 years and younger will not be legally allowed to play Minecraft online, or any other game that allows messages.
They will not be allowed to access news websites or YouTube or anything else where you can leave a comment.
The government are insane.
The zionists are terrified of the people rising up so they're clamping down against our speech.
Yes. And for everyone that thinks politics is the answer both major parties voted for it 😡
The public all lap it up. SAVE THE CHILDREN!
I could see something like primal complying with it and everything else getting removed from the app store.
You seem to have it backwards
What are you referring to specifically?
All of the above
It's very suspicious that I've seen a bunch of people talk about these laws saying that the EU is forcing people to only use Apple and Google when it's the opposite that's happening, google and Apple are getting fined for restricting people to their app stores.
It kinda feels like a disinformation psyop.
We need to build new systems, a new paradigm
I don't use any of the sites listed above, no. But presumably this will slowly encompass everything, bar Nostr. I still use certain normie sites like Amazon for shopping, and my point was, if they ever require anything like this, I will simply stop using them.
Agreed. And that's what we're doing here, is it not?
Same 🤝
I grew up without the Internet, but as an adolescent youth, the most popular kid in school was the one who managed to raid his fathers dirty magazine collection.
View quoted note →think about youtube and streaming sites …
This shit is spreading around the world. They want to do it in New Zealand too. I am trying to drum up a campaign to stop it. I created the site b416.nz arguing against the age verification and banning of minors from “social media”. At the moment it’s a proposal for a law and media campaign.
Here comes TheOtherStuff
We must build bridges that people from any age and nationality can use 💪🧱
View quoted note →But but, think of the children!
If I understand it, isn't this the exact use case for Zero Knowledge Proof technology? An encrypted app/tool that verifies you are you, but doesn't share the private information anywhere with anyone. It just verifies to the 3rd party that you provable meet "x" criteria.
I think this is the vision of zorp/nockchain, but feel free to correct me.
They will come for the clients' access to the appstore I'd guess. Think apple with damus zaps..
Get your pixels running graphene now folks!
F-droid and zapstore should be solid regardless
I still feel like we Americans owe the rest of the world an apology for how hard he fell for and complied with the covid lockdown (guns and all)
Hopefully we can make it up with online free speech.
If there are still remnants of freedom there is hope for all
Dont let Eulag pushing FOSS or forcing sideloading fool you that the eulag does not want total surveillance.
My opinion is that you should analyze the root of the problem in order to find appropriate solutions
A little hint is this: how do you deal with a black hole of lies that wants absolute control
