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Compliance or Gulag for the rest of your life. Your choise. ✊🇨🇳
This is where we're headed here in the People's States of Europe and we're not far off either.
-100 social credit
you turned right from that straight lane, isnt it? you didnt just cross any white line but in addition turned right there as the next step.
They don't need the 14 but this create a state of constant fear. Like animals in a circus.
Glad to see they cared enough to text you about it. Anything for safety 😂
In reality this is so stupid but at least the fine is cheap. Surprised it not like $100+
Most local Chinese governments are broke and heavily in debt with the slowing economy so they actually need the revenue
Christ, I’d be so broke in China.
You broke the law because you turned from the lane for going straight ahead. Don't try to manipulate the situation by saying that you crossed some white line...
200 RMB is a lot for many Chinese workers. A taxi driver may need ~6 hours to earn that, one ticket can wipe out a day. Minimum wage is ~21 RMB/hour, so 200 RMB is roughly a full day’s work for a street sweeper or store clerk.
100% correct 👍
I never claimed I was innocent which is why I’m waiving my right to contest the ticket and paying it.
In China you are allowed to cross dashed white lines but not solid white lines. It also depends on each intersection as there are different cameras for different violations (speed, yielding to pedestrians, red lights, etc) and each camera is owned by a different department (public security bureau, traffic bureau, urban management bureau etc)
The violation was for “机动车通过有灯控路口时，不按所需行进方向
驶入导向车道”.
There are various ways to translate it, but basically the AI detected I was in a go straight lane and then detected my right turn. My friend who was in the car at the time told me that the violation is given when you illegally cross the solid white lane dividers.
Luckily I only got a fine, no points deducted. Illegal right turns are 3 points deducted, running a red light is 6 points, get 12 points in one year and you lose your license and have to go to driving school to get it back.
The AI camera surveillance system in China is called Skynet (天网). I only had to pay a fine to Skynet today, no killer robot with machine guns hunting me down
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The breaking down
Oh dang, didn't know that.
Victimless crimes being punished by a surveillance state is dystopian af.
Wow fascinating want to learn more about every day life in China
We just get the ticket in the mail with image of what you did so there are no questions
How long after did it take for you to be notified?
This is scary. Because what you did is legal in the USA. You were switching lanes and turning. This makes me not want to go to China
100%
AI deciding what a crime is. That’s scary af as well
They changed their mind and decided to turn. Perfectly normal. Happens all the time
The incentives will destroy their society. Pins the people against the bureaucrats in a way that cant end well
As someone who has been to China pre-surveillance state, there is something to appreciate in stricter enforcement of traffic laws lol.
Besides, it’s not likely you’d be driving there when visiting as a tourist.
Wish they had this in America 🤣
Fuck cars. Rebuild our cities to let us use our legs to walk and bike instead of forcing us to buy expensive vehicles. It’s a massive tax on the working class.
I hadn’t even thought of that. So true
Many guys here still have not figured out how to become ungovernable so they complain, like good plebs.
They rely on you having a bank account or something similar with a third party for the extortion to work.
Once you unbanked your life you let them figure out how to tax you, fine you, extort you.
The system is not prepared for you not having a bank account. It's one of the best weapons you have over them. Privacy and a simple lifestyle also help.
People say it's not possible to live without a bank account and then someone came and didn't know it's impossible.
You are infinite possibilities condensed in one powerful body. Use it.
Alex Li
Got my first traffic ticket in China, the endless AI cameras are all knowing and all seeing, you can’t dodge them. Was fined 100 RMB (~$14) for crossing a white line from the straight turn lane into the right turn lane. The local government was kind enough to text me about it
“Oh no not a $14 fine. Honey cancel the trip, they might fine us less than it cost to park for an hour in Miami”
“It wasn’t me” - Shaggy
好棒哥们儿😂太现代了
Exactly my thinking
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driving in china is a free-for-all, they probably need this
Seems like a miserable way to live.
Would you rather have the process be the punishment, or just get the fine and get it over with?
That's cheap compared to the fines in Australia.
ahh. this is going to suck, but i eventually want to drive in China anyway
On one hand, that's cheaper than America or other places in the world, on the other hand, I'd be fucking pissed.
At this point I would prefer it, than a group or individuals acting in self-interest.
Fuck humans
To me, it sounded like you were trying to prove that you hadn't done anything wrong (by the way, it was more of a warning than a ticket... 😉).
The AI does whatever the humans who made it tell it to.
It’s about the principle of it
This is just the beginning
“Honey, I was on nostr and I found out different countries have different traffic laws. We should just stay in our state out of principle cause one guy even told me that traffic laws vary STATE TO STATE this is INSANITY”
I am not opposed to the laws. I am opposed to a surveillance state. It’s the edge of tyranny.
That’s the law in China(& Chicago & London)
I mean, from an automated rules based system perspective this is incredibly smooth and efficient. If the rules are something you want followed, having a high chance of being caught and a low punishment is better than the opposite. You remove any police bias, but also discretion.
I have mixed feelings on this. I want to live in a world with just and fair rules are universally applied to the charismatic and the bums equally, and not a world where unjust laws are inescapable. So basically, China level survenence and rules enforcement with Bitcoin level freedom and right of exit.
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