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i never heard of them before, but launching with an NFT makes me less of a fan. at the end of the day, they're still an MVNO. so im curious how their privacy and security efforts work at the carrier level. they may be unable to modify customer data, but does that also mean that Verizon cannot either?
Reading up on it now. Also, I remember this Veritasium video helped me understand more about what security flaws are common in the current systems out there. Interesting if there’s a good way to solve it all!
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burner e-sims are cheaper.
Most have vpn. Wouldn’t that be enough?
This is the way
Which service would you recommend for that?
"While I can't pick just one, I believe the best service often depends on your specific needs and preferences. Exploring a few options might lead you to the perfect fit! 🌟"
my phone number was sold by Verizon and ATT and TMobile in the past, my number was not sold by Google Fi which is an MVNO. I know this because I looked myself up on truepeoplesearch and there are legal cases with these wireless carriers for selling location data and ph numbers. Also fi has strong protection against sim swaps, account secured by security key through Google account. Maybe not as good as cloaked but better than the big 3 in my opinion. I'm looking into cloaked, looks interesting.
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vs silent.link vs hushed
first I've heard of it.
I see zero technical documentation backing their claims.
no, VPN will only work for application side of your phone. Watch Naomi Brockwell videos, she has some explaining the two sides of the phones. If you want to control of the app side of the phone use GrapheneOs as well. Naomi has videos on it.
It has some people behind it that have been successful in the past, but not at this scope. Imo there's a potential, 5% chance for major success.
The fact that its bitcoin adjacent could be a big benefit in terms of getting the word out.
The marketing is too good at this point, so that's a red flag in my opinion.
They pitch the service against SIM swap attacks, when you shouldn't use SMS for 2FA or rely on the plain line for secure communication. Not a great move.
However, maybe the privacy given from the data plan is enough to consider it.
As a pleb, it doesn’t sound that groundbreaking to me and feels a bit deceptive.
Lots of carriers now allow you to lock your sim from transfers, and many logins allow you to use an authenticator app rather than phone number.
The largest benefit would be if they could maintain privacy, but from the info on their website, it doesn’t seem much better than any other carrier. Even if they don’t collect and store private data, they are no doubt using one of the big wireless carriers network which still has the ability to track every device connected to it.
I could be very wrong one either of these points, if so someone please correct me, but as I see it this is just an overpriced cell service with slightly higher sim swap protection.
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Why?
they’ve been supporting @btcplusplus ATX the past two years with SIM cards for the livestreams/speaker wifi 📡 solid team
I looked into hushed. did not get good vibes re: how safe/legit their set of available numbers might be, but I suspect that's just a shortfall in my understanding of that space. is this just voip in another costume?
it would be interesting if a company would truly step up to sell real privacy protection, with "we will protect you, and here's our <resource-backed> promise to pay you if we fail". actively shielding and protecting you, their treasured client, as their paid service, not just a "well, we'll try, but you know the interwebs these days" lame-ass hint-promise...
what would I pay for such protection? hard to guess, but that's because it's hard to trust any such unproven biz models? what if there was a "I'll ramp up to pay more as you prove your value" trust-earning subscription model? with a known-up-front fees cap, but also a known rev-growth path to help motivate them to keep their promises? the power of aligned incentives!!!
and yeah, as noted before, I'm known to be wildly idealistic... that's why I'm here!
I've used it and it works well. Very low friction to get it set up with android esim.
Hi! We're here too. Happy to answer any questions.
SIM swaps happen because there are too many people at the various telcos who have the ability to make changes to your account. We restrict this to the user instead of allowing thousands of sales and support staff to do it.
The way it works is that we buy wholesale minutes from the carrier and we handle the customer info. They don't see any personal info, just the MSISDN, IMSI and an IMEI.
We don't care what you call yourself. Pay with bitcoin or monero and you don't need to give us any real info.
In a nutshell, I would say that our value prop is as follows: 1) Solved SIM swap attacks by only allowing subscribers to modify their accounts and only after they authenticate using proven open source authentication technologies. 2) We accept Bitcoin and were founded by long time privacy advocates (both co-founders worked at Zeroknowledge Systems in 2000 along side Dr Adam Back and other privacy pioneers). 3) We offer multiple non KYC purchase options. Finally, our parent company is working on the Cloaked Network (An open source Bitcoin incentivized decentralized private network that will hopefully replace Tor some day).
We're here for all the services that still leave you exposed to an SMS. Your bank, your AppleID, etc
Hi Derek, We operate on the T-Mobile network but they do not have access to or visibility on any of our customer data. The MNO (in this case T-mobile) will still see what towers your device and SIM are connecting to but will not see any of your customer data. Also, the NFT was an attempt introduce the ethereum NFT community to the ability of liquid to accomplish the same (albeit useless) NFT functionality on the Bitcoin blockchain using layer 2 tech. We didn't end up doing it finally because the nuance wrt what we were doing was lost on most (hence your comment). Hope that helps.
I'm Jonathan Wilkins (ex CSO at Blockstream and River) I've been doing privacy and security for just shy of 30 years. Adam Back is one of our advisors. We''d love a few minutes of your time to talk about what we're trying to achieve.
Appreciate the response. Thank you.
Are you going to provide non-US numbers? Many apps and things are censored/blocked in the US and they use numbers as verification.
Fair. Maybe you could put this exact text in the homepage, would be a nice touch.
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Hushed. Over a year now
On de-google phone.
the difference is that a sim lock at another provider is still a speed bump. groups like lapsus$ have been straight up paying insiders as much as $20k a week to do sim swaps on accounts. the lock doesn't present an issue
Our carrier partner doesn't see our customer data and we don't care if you're jane smith, or satoshi nakamoto #84.
lastly we have plans for further improvements, eventually pushing all traffic over a full mixnet (both user data traffic and and voice. this will defend against all location tracking. we have some interim hacks but only things that don't actually make you more of a target.
hint: swapping imei and imsi repeatedly while in the same location is like trying to be subtle while you've got a full marching band following you
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What’s about KYC? What’s about Phone Number?
We have multiple non KYC purchase options.
silent.link was data only last time I checked. They plan to offer voice soonish iirc. We expect to be competitive on price.
as I understand it, hushed is a voip number that forwards to your device. that doesn't work for a lot of services. cloaked wireless gives you an actual mobile number, with unlimited voice, text and data (@256k/s) you choose your high speed data level.
The NFT thing was a joke and our timing was terrjble. We were going to launch it at consensys. We had a bunch of the top bored apes, crypto punks, etc all glitched out (but recognizable) and nearly ready to go on raretoshi when the bottom fell out of the NFT market (and crypto generally) after the Fed hiked rates and Celcius collapsed, etc.
another npub giving a different answer. interesting. i wonder which one is real, if any? either you or the other profile that answered me should add a nostr address for verification on your website. thanks.
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Looks like a basic wireless service reseller with a marketing angle.
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Im an investor in the company. Worked previously with both founders at two startups. The SMS problem they solve now is real and works well. Also very excited for the work they are pursuing to build a TOR replacement that uses Lightning nodes.
This will be a huge benefit to Bitcoin and anonymity / privacy online. The team understands this well as they’ve been doing this for 25yrs.
How do one add a Nostr address verification on ones website?
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good idea but expensive for outside the US, dont u think?
I’m a user. IMO every bitcoiner should have a cloaked eSIM or 2nd phone sim with a cloaked number, for services that still require sms 2FA.
No worrying about sim swapping the main line.
Also an investor and been sparing time to advise the team in sales & marketing depts.