Nostr should be sold to activists and independent journalists as their identity backup.
Nostr is where you post link to new social media accounts when previous ones get deleted.
For your most loyal followers / other activists and journalists can always find you.
Where you share stories exclusively that can't be shared on your other social media because of censorship.
Just forget zaps all together, none of these people are monetised on social media platforms, they aren't motivated by money.
A couple dollars a month for preaching to the choir is not appealing to them.
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Indeed, helped these get set on here. They've been backing up their work here should some vampires take it from other sources. @npub1zx0d...vp44
This alligns with my ''a nostrified website is better than a regular website'' (by which i mean that the website is actually just a bespoke nostr client that automatically loads all the contents someone publishes, which is trivial to make these days), and in a way your pitch is very similar to what substack talks about with email.
Define "on here" - nostr isn't a centralized entity. You're free to spin up your own relays and create communities that work for you.
The default relays are obviously Bitcoin centric (plus a bit of fringe right-ish weirdos).
And by default, I mean what most nostr apps prepopulate because there isn't really a default
Not trying to dis you here, but from a protocol perspective (and not the concrete app experience with most clients out there today that fiatjaf already alluded to), what you are saying reads like:
We tried getting to get people go outside, but the onboarding for people to go out of their front door is a fucking nightmare. There are all these people outside they don't like, and it is not a fun place to do something if people i don't like also exist in the world.
Don't take a bunch of vegans to a street that is full of meat-centered restaurants.
Don't take a bunch of blind people to the creative street art neighborhood
Don't take a bunch of prudes to the redlight district.
By which i mean to say....there are no 'space' constrains here, there is absolutely no reason to be ''in eachothers way'' and to visit places that are completely irrelevant or offensive to you.
Again, i understand the practical reality is that you experience a real problem, its just that there is no, i dunno how you call it....''technically'', reason for that problem to exist at all. And what i would say is that you are not powerless in this regard at all, the tools and means for YOU to fix those problems do exist, and i am sure there are plenty of people more than willing to help you with that.
Perhaps you can have a look at the work @Dawn has been doing, she also has these calls you can join and you can discuss this.
Good luck.
I 100% agree with you.
Nostr should become so popular even for “non-bitcoiners”.
Especially for them!!
I'd be more than happy to show you examples of a different conceptualization of Nostr and how to set up your own, with easier onboarding, minimal cost, and semi-open chats and feeds. (With Pyramid, Hallway, and some auxiliary clients for specific content creation)
I host open discussions, Tuesdays 1pm UTC and schedule one-on-one sessions on Thursdays. If you're interested, just let me know.
The definition of zaps.
It could work. I still love zaps. It is an option.
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Ahh good to find another know it all who knows real wisdom and knows everything and is never wrong
I am not here for the zaps either. I am here to be part of something with a higher purpose. #nostr or bust.
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View quoted note →It isn't a problem that they exist, it doesn't mean I care to interact with them. Nostr provides all the tools necessary for me to completely filter them out of existence.
I’m not sure I’m following this. It feels like calling the fediverse a pedophile ridden network. Like sure there is a lot of dubious content over there but that has nothing to do with the underlying protocol. And you’re not forced to follow accounts generating said content.
What is it exactly that’s turning these people off from the nostr ecosystem? Is it that apps default to seeding posts from annoying accounts/relays?
This feels like a similar discourse I heard regarding Odysee (formerly LBRY) and then instead of trying to change it the so called left wingers decided to fall back to centralized YouTube once again. And now they’re complaining about the corporate overreach and enshitification…
At some point you’ve got to pick the least of two evils and it’s insane that these people considered the decentralized protocols to be the inherently worse option.
You're so right about everything
People need to listen to you. You're smart
No worries, the offer stands. Anons are welcome to stop in on Tuesdays and just listen, if preferred as well. Can always ask questions in via text in the chat. Really, we could schedule something that way as well. It's mostly me screensharing and explaining things.
Here's some info & tutorials about Pyramid (not technical documentation):
Launching a Hallway client can be done here:
This part is still very new, I haven't a chance to write up anything about it yet and I don't know if anyone else has either.
There's no profiles to follow for updates _just_ to these things, per se. writes both. Searching or following #pyramid might narrow things down in the relay side, and as I said, the custom client part is very new.
This might be handy, too:


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User level co-education about Nostr and the tools available. Bring questions, bring answers.

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* Getting Started with Pyramid
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Nostr Clients That Support Relay Browsing and Publishing
Relay-Specific Browsing and Publishing with Protected Notes
* Jumble
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* Yakihonne
* Fevela
* x21
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* Yakbak
* Yakihonne
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Haha, well apparently mentioning anyone from Amethyst is not working for me at the moment... but fiatjaf is who I intended to tag in that awkward blank spot.
I have a disclaimer in my bio for anyone that takes me too seriously.
Yeah, there's a bunch of shit that could be done to improve onboarding and new user experience.
But I'm not a Dev so I can't do it.
Need a client with moderated hashtag feeds so people can actually find shit when they first get here.
Referral links, why is BCHnostr the only client with referral links?
Those who are more organised, journalists that already have their own websites could create their own relays, then you just need at least one of them also running a relay aggregator that relays the relays to users interested in independent journalists.
YouTube and other centralised platforms are where the audience is at.
I've been trying to onboard my friend from Gaza to nostr for a year, he has made two npubs.
The first with primal, which at the time only had the kyc custodial wallet which blocked people from Palestine making wallets.
Then yakihonne, which he just struggled to learn and had poor internet connection at the time.
Abandoned / lost keys for both
Surviving is already stressful enough, doing things he already understands is difficult.
He doesn't have the energy to learn new things that aren't directly correlated to survival.
People have no idea.
Extreme left = revolution, rebuild the entire system to be fair and just
Left = progressive reform, decentralise and democratise existing power structures
Conservative = don't change stuff, its already perfect
Liberal = regressive reforms, centralise existing power structures and transfer more power from workers to the oligarchy
Extreme right = reactionary, undo progressive reforms and return to a new version of fuedalism where corporate oligarchs replace the monarchy
Hashtags moderated at the relay level are nice. The dilemma with doing it at client level is the sheer number of possible hashtags that exist and God only knows how many relays each will connect with at a given moment. At the relay level, different topics or collections of topics can be moderated by different groups or individuals and presented/shared as discovery feeds.
wss://aquaticchickentheory.nostr1.com is an example of 25+ hashtags, streamed in from public relays & filtered by my WoT.
New users, during the initial onboarding process shouldn't even need to look at their relay settings.
Default relay setting for onboarding needs to be a relay aggregator with a fallback aggregator if it fails.
Most nostr clients are not consumer ready, people gotta learn how to replace the break pads and oil filters before they can learn to drive without an algorithm.
After people understand how to drive they are ready to look under the hood and modify things.
Agreed, it would be way to much to do on the client end.
More about default relay settings in clients and different types of relays existing to do different things.
I heckled Christensen on tiktok and upscrolled for leaving nostr until I stopped using them.
Now I only see him on xiǎohóngshū on the rare occasion I go on there, I still tell him to come back to Nostr, to try other clients.
He only tried primal.
The bots on here impersonating someone from Gaza make me so incredibly angry I don't have the words for it.
😂 I tried, Amethyst dropped the reference when I published, for some reason.
Sorry I can't read
I disagree. I believe Nostr can succeed greatly when people stop trying to make it look and act like something that it is not, but there is always more than one way forward.