Let that sink in: state adjacent AI companies built their tools by essentially attacking competitors through fraud at an industrial scale. And people still ask why decentralization matters. 🤔 image

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meanwhile, they banned my email just for letting the trial expire 6 months ago 🏝️ can't reactivate. to think they have all the compute in the world and they can't determine a user from a bot.
If AI models were open source there'd be nothing to steal. The entire attack only works because Anthropic's models are proprietary. Decentralization, instead of large centralized companies and open source AI, eliminates the incentive for the attack. Decentralization doesn't magically prevent anyone from copying it, but if it's decentralized and open and everybody already has access to or can easily run their own and participate, it's more accessible. There's no reason for fraud. There's no reason for an attack.
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Alan 3 weeks ago
Exactly. There never was an attack. It was just framed that way.
True, but their business model is built around having a proprietary model. So while I agree with you that I would prefer open sourced code, from the perspective of their business, open source is basically running the attack on yourself.
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Alan 3 weeks ago
And everyone knew this was possible from day one.
Information wants to be free. Distillation points to a couple of things: 1. AI is totally porous. Access is binary. Prompt injection, data poisoning and distillation can really be solved, just mitigated 2. AI companies have no moat but hardware. They are databases and if you sell access, the contents can be exfiltrated. They have to appeal to the same legal frameworks they violated to build these databases to protect them now.
There are lots of examples of closed source, proprietary software which has been massively successful. Apple’s whole ecosystem is a good example of this. I get if you personally want everything to be open-sourced, but to say that is the solution for a business, and to then conflate open-source with “decentralized” seems like straying away from the core issue.
i simply don't care. apple is a good example of an attempted takeover of personal compute, and it will fail just like microsoft. (but in a 'successful' way like you said). i spend all my computer time resisting this no matter what it takes, in my personal and professional life. because i am in it for the tech and a firm believer. woz is sad for what happened. and he should be.
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Alan 3 weeks ago
Positive sum games vs zero sum games. Where would we be without Linux. You do you.
Go one level higher - positive sum for who? For apple shareholders it was massively positive sum. Imagine if you could run MacOS or iOS on off-brand devices and integrate with the ecosystem. Their business model would be cooked. For the world, maybe Linux has been more positive, but even that is subjective. Apple and their design and their cultural impact were a huge part of the past three decades. All I’m saying is, big nothing-burger.
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Alan 3 weeks ago
Net positive sum for the entire game.
"Government, save me! Deploy the violence to prevent anyone adding value without permits"
well, im glad you agree. we can only do so much in this world. compute is either a harness of control, or an amazingly awesome tool. things are and always have been, 'up in the air' perse, regarding how this will play out. linux and GNU won bigtime though, so never forget that image
bitcoin is still winning too. nostr isn't taking over but i don't think it was designed for that. it's designed to be a network where the users have the ultimate say over what they see, it's only retarded VCs and donors attaching strings to shit. even then, they have to violate the protocol to really exert control, like primal does. primal is a try hard twitter. it completely misses the point, and the fingerprint of their messaging is clearly luminous.
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ihsotas 3 weeks ago
Oh no! Anthropics business model of stealing the data of mankind was just used against it. Lmao
they have already invested the entire world's economy in their infrastructure that now requires everyone to use their tools by force to recover everything they have invested.
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R 3 weeks ago
Information is either kept a private secret or its public domain with no limitations of use. That’s where this all ends up. Lots of pain on the road to that realization.
Win at any cost and by any means Another example of this I enjoyed watching was the socials hammering out: snap > clubhouse > spaces > stories etc All copying each other (stealing is a form of flattery)
Incredibly ironic that the corporation who got all their AI training data by stealing from others is now accusing every other AI model that is better than theirs of being built with stolen data..
I am quite suspicious of such claims especially toward more open source models that are competitors. Any tech can of course be used for good or ill. But Anthropic does its own manipulations.
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#fuck_jews 3 weeks ago
bro it seems that Sam Altman had a joint near gov people that fund him i also get patriotic while high near gov people
They built their LLMs on the world's data and all of our content posted on the web across social media sites. It's hilarious to watch them complain about things they did to regular people happen to them. AMERICA, FUCK YEAH.