Hey #Nostr it's a start... uncensorable, decentralized YouTube 😏
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Looks great. Can sign in with amber.
Won't actually let me upload though even after approval..
Awesome. Just logged in with Amber. I like it
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Looks great! Will this scale? Video servers may get quite expensive over time. Any plan for sustainability? Congrats!
Well maybe this will be the NewNewPipe
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Tell us more. 🔥
Thanks! Might be an issue with Amber and needing to constantly approve?
Seems like it.
Is this free?
I’ve tested it primarily with extension and nsec.app which had to constantly open to approve. Maybe try with a browser extension and see how that goes?
No NIP-71 support? 👀
I want YouTube mirroring support on this if it's possible.
That way, I can keep my stuff on both #nostr and YouTube this way, just in case YouTube ever shuts down my three channels.
Not yet. First started with long-form as I had built it as a slightly different client at the start
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I'm not seeing a NIP-07 option on desktop, am I missing something? Using firefox and NOS2X-FOX.
There's a small bug. When it first popups to login, close it and then click the little N icon again and it will register that extension login is possible.
I'm logged in via extension and it's telling me to login to upload. Ironfox with nos2x-fox extension.
Interesting, if you hard refresh browser does it show a profile to login with in the popup? I may have to test with that setup to see how the flow works
Yes, I get the pop up showing my user with the extension label.
And now it's letting me upload 😂👍
A Nostr YouTube replacement appears!
With a 100MB size limit, you'll want to compress your videos. Here's some good tools.
🔹Android
FFshare - Open source, ffmpeg based
Proton - Google Play Store
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.arthur.hritik.proton.video.compressor
🔹Desktop - both are available for Linux, Mac & Windows.
Handbrake
FFmpeg
GitHub
GitHub - caydey/ffshare: An android app to compress image, video and audio files through ffmpeg before sharing them
An android app to compress image, video and audio files through ffmpeg before sharing them - caydey/ffshare
HandBrake: Open Source Video Transcoder
HandBrake is an open-source, GPL-licensed, multiplatform, multithreaded video transcoder.
FFmpeg
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Can't get this to work with Amber on GrapheneOS.
Stuck on the Connecting ..." with both Brave and Vanadium browser.
Tried the trick with closing the initial window and clicking the little "N"
Rival Newpipe?
Even tried with the "I fully trust this application. Sign automatically every request." on the Amber side.
Yes, some asshole...but, check now. The power of community can help.
Precisamos disso pra ontem
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Hmm, is there a known issue with Amber and GOS @npub1xdtd...ntxy on nostr-login?
Haha so weird. I know that there are some intermittent issues with Amber sometimes not fully allowing it to Authenticate. Glad you got in!
Did get it to work on Vanadium now, but Brave seems to be blocking something (even when I take down all shields).
🤷♂️
Hey #Nostr it's a start... uncensorable, decentralized YouTube 😏
Watch Videos on Nostr with Plebs
Plebs is a censorship-resistant, decentralized video platform powered by the Nostr social protocol
We should have more specific tags for bad content. First "NSFW" is some guy testing flipper zero "in the wild" (maybe "illegal"), second one is CSAM ..
It's working in GrapheneOS and Amber for me 🤔
That one NSFW tagged video was just a test and can be ignored. Hopefully, most reasonable people will correctly tag with NSFW for any pornographic or other suggestively NSFW videos. For those who don't, the videos can be ratioed through community-driven moderation and help "conceal" them, allowing people to avoid viewing them if they choose. Of course, this system is by no means perfect, but it's a start.
Next step app mobile and app TV android 🚀⚡ ...right?
Very promising start! Looking forward for the next updates.
We will certainly see where this can lead! 😎
It doesn’t matter when creating a video is easier than flagging it.
Worth looking into, let's review and boost if we like it!
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So you are filtering out video links from the content of event of kind 1 and 30023?
There will undoubtedly be gaps, which is where the media hosts will hopefully do their part in swiftly removing at least illegal items.
A lot of media hosts do no moderation. So that fails.
You need to design for a hostile environment and you can trust no one unless you have reasons to do otherwise
For sure, I thought about requiring a small sats fee in order to publish. Or, some sort of WoT. But, for now the ratioed option seemed like the best to start and gauge from there.
منصة جديدة من نوستر لامركزية لعرض الفيديو و المقاطع شبيه ليوتيوب لكن تنافسه و هي منصة للفيديو لا مركزية PLEBS
#PLEBS
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A fee comes with the problem that content can now be censored by refusing to sign an event saying they paid the fee.
With the current number of nostr users, we are ok. But with a larger audience uploaders and/or users need to pay for storage / bandwidth.
Top! I’ll try it!
Why do you need to sign an event saying paid?
You cannot enforce the fee otherwise
The author can use a content-warning e.g. for NSFW content.
Content that is not tagged can be reported by users. The report spec has multiple types:
Unfortunately not all clients allow users to specify this type.
NIP56 - NIP-56 - Reporting
Read more about the NIP56 on {{appUrl}} - NIP-56 - Reporting
how about lnurl-withdraw or cashu sent with the video?
Cashu may as well be a signed event, like zaps.
LNURLW is not proof (it is an offer to pay, not proof of payment)
Isnt a directly taken "offer to pay" a proof? What do I dont see in the context?
Or you mean you need the proof for "accounting" purposes?
You need proof so clients can validate “yes this person paid the fee to publish”
An LNURLW can still be revoked
Valid point.
And you mean having payment for spam is making it censorable, and you want a provably uncesorable sw. Right?
Cool! I think giving users the possibility to filter on different things will be really important for adoption, e.g. to ensure that users don't get CSAM or similar disgusting content in their feeds. Could be white/blacklisting of blossom servers, react/adhere to reports from your 1st or 2nd degree nostr network, etc.
Thanks! Absolutely, those align with some ideas I have going forward and for ways to mitigate gaming the various control systems by bots. It’s cookin’ time 😎
Yup yup basically just a proof of concept or MVP at this point, but with time I’ll keep tinkering away.
Would be great to watch it grow! It's a quite expensive service to build, still worth trying. Will share some sats as soon as I have more.
why dont @CITADEL DISPATCH and @npub10uth...xdlq videos show up in search?
Too much signal
Not seeing much info here. What makes this uncensorable and decentralized?
So, again, what makes this uncensorable/decentralized?
Instead of having any explanation to back up your claim, you just offer an app that doesn't work... this shit gets so tiring
You are so fucking stupid
Nope
Are you adding authentication for nos2x? Can't auth from the desktop.
Because it's like wavlake and these are not nostr events
Also doesn't even let me post so far
There is also Flare, which seems to work in a similar way 🤔
So I have a question... Why do you prefer to use content posted only by the client instead of also using videos that are already in Nostr?
It always seems like starting over from scratch, having to post content one by one in a new client... But I apologize if I'm mistaken.
lame
Novo client de stream de videos parecido com o youtube. E parece promissor.
Mas devo dizer que ainda está muito no início e pode aparecer conteúdos no mínimo inapropriados no seu feed.
Testem com sabedoria 👍
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walled gardens all around.
I can't even log-on to have a look around but I saw enough as-is.
Sadly, Flare is completely centralized. I believe they were even using AWS for their uploads. The only thing Nostr related was a login iirc. Plebs is the first to use multiple Blossom servers and have automatic fallback support to other Blossom servers if one goes down
No, they are Nostr events. That’s literally the event ID in the URL. It’s currently using a 30023 long-form kind and tag to feature videos only posted through the Plebs app at the moment. I’ll be integrating NIP-71 too. CC: @ODELL
why not kind1? there are a ton of videos already posted that way
The problem exists when feeding in video published externally without thumbnails or who’ve not been uploaded through Blossom servers. The purpose of Plebs is that it uploads the videos and thumbnails to multiple Blossom servers and then has fallback support to trying the video’s sha256 hash with another host if one goes down to ensure redundancy.
nostr already has a lack of content and kind1 is lindy
lack of thumbnails is less of an issue than lack of content
cutting up our already limited network effect is questionable imo
i will continue to post my shows blossom kind1
I don’t know of another way to prevent deadlinks if a general kind 1 event who didn’t use a known blossom server is shown through the Plebs app and the media host they used doesn’t exist anymore. It would just show a broken video 🤷♂️ Other clients can publish through to Plebs if they want as well, keeping the network effect. The mission is in trying to ensure that the videos uploaded have been to Blossom servers and more than only 1 to ensure redundancy. There’s also an issue of brigading and bot spam. If not for the small tweak made for Plebs app it could be filled with just absolute garbage like Global. We already see one person who used a bot to abuse the ratioed feature and allowed showing the little girl video again. But, I have a plan to hopefully solve this sort of problem and prevent bots abuse.
Haven't manage to login with Amber yet, fails every time.
Not login in is an option to check the app performance, looking great.
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A good compromise is to post the use-case-specific kind, then quote it in a kind 1 to advertise its existence. This also encourages clients to either implement render support for the new kind, or advertise alternative clients via NIP 89.
Why is it using the long form article kind to begin with? I don't think this particularly hurts existing clients but it seems like its really going to confuse users
This is the way, also kind 16 "shares" can be useful
This is an issue with most browsers nowadays. they don't allow the crypto.subtle API on insecure http connections
I don't understand why but I've found it to be a pretty annoying bug
Crypto: subtle property - Web APIs | MDN
The Crypto.subtle read-only property returns a
SubtleCrypto which can then be used to perform low-level
cryptographic operations.
sounds good in theory but in practice you just end up with olas
maybe, but I don't think the problem with olas was that it didn't use kind 1's
But if every new client start building on a kind 1 and doesn't transition to their own kind. then its going to cause a lot of confusion with users. for example users uploading videos on plebs.app probably don't realize they are publishing long form articles in other clients
I was originally building it as a long-form client and then pivoted to only video. But, am planning to correct it for video-only kind.
I'm not sure what you mean?
I might try a different browser then, thanks 🤙
Not sure if worth it in this case though 🤔
Please don't overload kind 30023, this is how your videos look in habla:
Yeah, clients would need to deduplicate somehow. Maybe we need a new kind.
It should have force redirected to HTTPS only connection 🤔
👀 I stand corrected
"Yo, I feel ya! 🤔 But what’s the deal with the long form? Is it just to flex the deets or what? Think it’ll clear things up or just add to the chaos? #ConfusedVibes"
it did
All good my dude!
If every app starts using their own kinds the entire interoperable part of nostr goes down the drain. Imo if you publish a video on flare it should display on any other platform that supports video content. same for streams and co. If I go live on zapstream I expect to be live on the entire network and not on one site.
Yeah, I don't really understand why Firefox wasn't using https automatically
Will try again tomorrow, working on some other stuff now
Personally I'm ok with this or a new event kind, just not 30023
The bigger problem is I don't see why you're using blossom with zero BitTorrent integration, that's not very censorship resistant or decentralized of you
Thx
I'm not sure I understand you. Plebs currently uses 3 different blossom servers for the uploads. So, there is no single point of failure or central host. If one of the blossom hosts goes down, it will try to match the video's sha256 hash with another provider to load it. That seems pretty decentralized and censorship-resistant to me.
Again, it seems like an increase instead of an elimination of censorability and centralization in previous tools like BitTorrent and Tor
Blossom requires blossom hosts to stay online and I haven't seen any evidence it handles a poor internet connection better than or even the same as BitTorrent
Not sure what technicals you're asking me to explain though
If BitTorrent only works for downloading and not streaming then a nostr video platform should still at least have built in support for BitTorrent infohashes to help people with downloading
One kind and per content tyoe.
One community (daily driver) that handles multiple content types.
The problem is that no one (else) is building for the latter.
Hard to scale in what way?
Not working, and no NIP-07 login. Can't view my subscriptions or upload a video despite being logged in with Amber.
There is nip07 login with extension. When the popup happens close out and then click the floating N icon and then the popup should show extension option. It’s a known bug that I will fix.
In every possible way. Goodluck 🫡
Android APK?
I agree. Interoperability is a huge thing for NOSTR. Videos on Primal or Amethyst I would think you'd be able to view on a NOSTR version of YouTube.