why does the primal app say i have 20k followers on nostr? damus says i have ~800
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*1.2k lol
Similar differences for me.
Primal has probably cached it while damus is trying to get that info on the fly
so how many people am i actually reaching by posting? ๐
Probably the active subset of these 20K ๐
Counting is hard.
Depending upon the time of day, Amethyst says I have either 500 or 10,000 followers ๐
Same here. Except both say I've barely any followers. ๐
Could that mean that somehow they count the same npub times as many relays as you have, for example?
reached+=1
that's the thing with decentralized without consensus on shared state, innit?
Primal caching relay goes out and gets events from relays your not connected to. So there are others following your npub that arent on the 7 relays you have configured
Idk but damus may be using WoT to filter "valid" followers
Because follower counts on decentralized protocols is not a good metric to easily track. Every client will show something different. And some will show something different every time ๐ซ
I'm in the same boat. Some clients have me at 5 followers, others at 4.
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It's because not all relays respond in a timely manner and contact lists are different sometimes for different people on different relays. It's just not a good metric.
Does the accuracy of this metric matter to you? Why?
Got it. I stopped tracking it long ago. Like, my second week here ๐
Ghosts of testnet3 addresses messing with you ...
Reached +2 next...
Reached +3 next....
So much reach!!
I don't think there are even 20k ppl on nostr
well who's right?
why would primal lie to me??
rekt
does this also apply to DMs?
how did they find out about me then? i'd expect they're not getting any of my notes if they're not connected to any relays i'm on
Technically speaking someone could be following you but not have any relays in common with you and send you a DM and you'd never get it because you're not using the same relays. This is why the new outbox model is very important. Many clients are moving to this new method. Primal uses a caching service on their backend which also helps here.
what is the "outbox model"
I get it, people want to see the size of their audience to make sure they're not speaking into the void, but being engaged and social also helps this too.
They might be able to read from those relays. Your events are also propagated to other relays when users whose relays intersect with your own interact with them. But im far from an expert on this.
Also your npub is probably on @npub1teaw...gq5u and anyone could pick it up and add you as a follower.
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Guess i should try primal. My ego could use a stroke
@jb55 answer this?
Hodlbod article, outbox https://next.nostrudel.ninja/#/articles/naddr1qvzqqqr4gupzp978pfzrv6n9xhq5tvenl9e74pklmskh4xw6vxxyp3j8qkke3cezqyw8wumn8ghj76r0v3kxymmy9e3k7unpvdkx2tn5dahkcue0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qq48pvk5u2cd569xj6e942xzathdf8kvnzc2v06tvln
Vitor article, relays
https://coracle.social/notes/nevent1qy88wumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv9uq3qamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wd4hk6tcpzamhxue69uhhv6t5daezumn0wd68yvfwvdhk6tcpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qg4waehxw309aex2mrp0yhxgctdw4eju6t09uqzqnq6z9jhdtattu0ncn7fe9rpqq3sz7dnl994zltg23ah8gsh50xd70lek3
the way to count follows on-protocol is to fetch contact lists, these are huge though, so downloading 800 of them is quite expensive.
damus is a pure protocol client and doesn't rely on special servers that count things like primal does.
follow counts isn't that useful though, since anyone can spam contact lists to raise follow counts
No clue. That's the fun part.
thanks for the explanation!
What does this mean @jb55
Both @hodlbod and I wrote posts about this a while ago. Here is his. View article โ
So relays don't get update from other relays. There is no single database. Each relay is a database itself?
What really counts is the content generated.
i feel like people are more interested in telling me how they feel about having follower counts than explaining why thereโs such drastically different reports on them ๐
got arms a mile long jkjk ๐
Followers on nostr are a weird phenomenon that Iโm not sure anyone really understands fully lol
ok but why is that
Iโm more interested in telling you how I feel about the difference between blue and yellow corn, and why I prefer txt interfaces. ๐
ok iโll bite, why blue corn?
Counting follows is counting the number of contact lists you are on. Contact lists are large so relays will only allow you to pull so many at a time. To know how many people follow you is knowing every up to date contact list on every relay. Clients canโt really pull all of this information down, so depending which relays you are counting from you will get different numbers, but it will always be inaccurate. Follow counts are a centralized concept.
you should bite the blue corn.
itโs the very best corn.
twice the protein, twice the flavor.
plus, you can post photos of your growing blue corn, and appear mysterious and knowledgeable about esoteric foods.
you can also hang it in your house to dry for winter impressing visitors, while boasting of your 1/1024 Cherokee lineage like Elizabeth Warren.
I do like that I can see some of my followers with #damus (thanks Will & team). It's cool to look and see if anyone is posting cool stuff to follow back. I wonder if one day in the future there might be a way to easily find people who follow me that share interests and post somewhat frequently ๐ค๐คทโโ๏ธ
I am glad you pushed these guys to answer the question! Haha. I think I finally get it now
Which is a good thing ๐ Also we don't see any spam bots and ads in the replies as well. If you wrote on X 1/4 of the replies are from spam bots which have profile photo of Asian girls with rich meals and rich life style, 1/4 ads, 1/4 complaining about the issue you mentioned and 1/4 crucifying you. And regarding this the follower count on X doesn't mean anything as well.
I tried counting once, I didnโt enjoy it.
brb putting โgetting the guys to actually explain themselvesโ on my resume ๐
how do you explain the blue corn chips taste a bit less tasty than the yellow + white corn ones
Nostr-band I think it's the most accurate โคต๏ธ
Nostr.Band: Trending people on Nostr
Nostr.Band: Trending people on Nostr
i feel like i just got told by the captain of the starfleet why we canโt know the population of humans across the galaxy ๐ ๐คฃ ๐
โfollow counts are a single planet concept niftyโ
ooh very cool! thank you ๐ sort of embarrassing to think that many people are following along on this quest lmao ๐คฃ
The fresh to dried conversion is opposite. Blue and purple corn, have much more flavor fresh, but become much more bland when dried. Not sure why. More sugars in the yellow and white? Dunno. But dried blue tortillas taste like cardboard
as someone who mostly eats corn in chip form, Iโll probably be sticking to the yellow ones ๐
Hahaha
How about as an addition to the follower list, the follower also sends a separate note tagged to the followed for notification?
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Itโs like comparing each others UTXO sets or dick size
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no idea
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Surely this can be improved with a indexed, purpose built relay for follow lists. It doesn't matter what you think of the concept. People still want to know their follow count. It's not a centralized concept to want to gauge your reach.
Yes indexers are fine for this, but its hard to make core client features depend on single specialized servers which donโt have a spec. This is just asking for your app to stop working eventually. I try to avoid that as much as I can in damus.
People can also spam contact lists and fake the count (primal shows me as 1 million followers when itโs probably more like 200k), so iโm not sure if it will ever be accurate. I donโt like lying to users.
I totally understand that
@Ancap Brasil aqui nessa thread vc encontra respostas do motivo de cada cliente mostrar um nรบmero de seguidores diferente do outro.
Maybe this could be less intensive using Merkel roots?
Better response: bcuz henry rollins was busy
Mine says I have 123 on Primal and 0 on Amethyst lol ๐คฃ
why does the primal app say i have 20k followers on nostr? damus says i have ~800
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More like 20 bro ๐