Just like money, most people dont understand how music works. How does the song go from an artists head, turn into a song, get onto Spotify, and into your earholes? Theres a workflow, a music pipeline. And just like how dollar bills have to go from being a twinkle in powell's eye to a scam voucher in your back pocket.
And similar to money, the music pipeline is centrally captured by a cartel of 3 major corporations.
And just like with bitcoin, ***this is important*** for people to understand and do something about ***if you care about music beyond tswift or whatever lil g pussy dolla holla flava of the day copypasta music is out today***
Its not enough for an artist to write, record, and produce a song. That song has to be published and distributed in a place where people are gathered, for you to hear it. This pipeline is almost entirely controlled by the 3 majors.
The 3 majors only care about profit. They and their affiliates are the only ones who can quickly/easily drop the songs into the algo controlled musicmoney box (spotify, itunes, etc). The songs that trigger it the best and make the most money gets even more radio airtime, promotion, and push (flywheel). So when they go out to sign, the A&R guys are told to go sign more of the same style. And they do, cause its easy and works. The algo continues to push a specific style, which forces it to make more money since the noise exponentially drowns the signal. Over time this homogenizes music.
***Dont be surprised the house is burning as you pour on the gas. ***
This is why music today is stale.
So if you want new music... If you want incredible sounds... and if you dont want music and culture to die out...
***ANON, you need to put in the proof of work***. Do the slightly harder thing, listen to DeMu and boost into the shows.
Stop using Spotify.
SAVE MUSIC - DO DEMU
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TLDR:
Dont be surprised your house is burning as you pour on the gas.
Music, like Money, is centrally captured and dying.
DeMu, like Bitcoin, fixes this.
SAVE MUSIC - DO DEMU
see below why ๐๐พ
Ishbit
Just like money, most people dont understand how music works. How does the song go from an artists head, turn into a song, get onto Spotify, and into your earholes? Theres a workflow, a music pipeline. And just like how dollar bills have to go from being a twinkle in powell's eye to a scam voucher in your back pocket.
And similar to money, the music pipeline is centrally captured by a cartel of 3 major corporations.
And just like with bitcoin, ***this is important*** for people to understand and do something about ***if you care about music beyond tswift or whatever lil g pussy dolla holla flava of the day copypasta music is out today***
Its not enough for an artist to write, record, and produce a song. That song has to be published and distributed in a place where people are gathered, for you to hear it. This pipeline is almost entirely controlled by the 3 majors.
The 3 majors only care about profit. They and their affiliates are the only ones who can quickly/easily drop the songs into the algo controlled musicmoney box (spotify, itunes, etc). The songs that trigger it the best and make the most money gets even more radio airtime, promotion, and push (flywheel). So when they go out to sign, the A&R guys are told to go sign more of the same style. And they do, cause its easy and works. The algo continues to push a specific style, which forces it to make more money since the noise exponentially drowns the signal. Over time this homogenizes music.
***Dont be surprised the house is burning as you pour on the gas. ***
This is why music today is stale.
So if you want new music... If you want incredible sounds... and if you dont want music and culture to die out...
***ANON, you need to put in the proof of work***. Do the slightly harder thing, listen to DeMu and boost into the shows.
Stop using Spotify.
SAVE MUSIC - DO DEMU
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Check my profile feed, its full of links. DeMu stands for "DEcentralized MUsic" so its not just one app or platform, like bitcoin, its a protocol and an ecosystem.
Fountain, podcastguru, and lnbeats are all apps (clients) you can use to access the demu library
Im listening to this demu show rn as I type this:
https://app.podcastguru.io/podcast/X68747470733a2f2f66656564732e727373626c75652e636f6d2f75706265617473/episode/afe98b8a537ae6677682c2a24de8126dI see! Ok, just more names. Already in. ๐
Make sure you're boosting in with messages to the songs and the shows. It feeds the circular value economy. The feedback loop must be closed.
There is a concept of Time Talent and Treasure. Everyone in v4v must determine the value they are getting and return that value back in one of those three ways, through their Time, Talent, or Treasure.
If we do this everyone wins.
Literally the same playbook as with Bitcoin or any other grassroots freedom movement.
FIAT MUSIC
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Spotify is pure youโll own nothing and youโll be happy vibes.
Artists literally cannot do anything.
To simply change an album cover, first you have to submit a request with your publisher. If you're on good terms they'll get to it in a reasonable amount of time and reach out to Spotify. They'll review it if its actually acceptable and decide if you'll be censored. At some point a month or so down the line, the album cover will change, you might get an email.
Imagine if there was an alternative network where you can just permissionlessly click upload cover art, hit save, and be done with it.
One of the reasons I build itdv.podtards.com is that
@The Doerfels wanted an easy way to share their music with friends and family since podcast apps lack when it comes to music so I build a simple music app for them.
TJ didn't want to give their catalog to Spotify and
@Sir Spencer - Wolf of KC ๐บ said bro I got you.
TJ is in complete control and even running his own node that all the sats go to.
Spencer and I helped him set this all up over the past years and the node is even funded with channels from the community. He only had to get a mini PC for the hardware for the node.
One big community helping each other out all V4V style and for the love of the game.
My band took our music of that platform a couple of years back after I had a very frustrating experience with the distribution saying our music had been flagged for copyright, despite not being sample based. Most likely caused by us using the same instrument plugin setting that a bigger artist had used somewhere, at least thatโs the best correlation I could think of. It certainly wasnโt the only reason for pulling our music but it was the last straw as far as I was concerned. These platforms will make artists jump through all kinds of hoops to ultimately be a cheap advertising agency for the platform itself. Fuck them.
The irony being that even though our reach shrank massively, we made more money focusing through Bandcampโฆ and now thatโs enshittifying so the next logical step is to release on infrastructure we can control.
Itโs a harder road for sure but at least Iโm not some hoe saying โplease add us on Spotify, Daniel Elk wants more war techโ.
That said, I still havenโt worked out how to do splits with keysend but Iโll get there.
What are you making the feed with?
You can also just use a lightning address now since the apps have been updated now to handle them except Podverse.
One step at a time, you're on the right path. Reach out if you're stuck on anything specific - lots of here willing to help!
And as shitty as this is, it's unfortunatly not a unique story. I've heard similar things happen all the time, its no different than people getting deplatformed on social media... you're just a commodity at best and its cheaper for them to stick their fist up your ass than actually try to help.
Normies dont understand... you do not just simply upload music direct to spotify.
We tested lnaddress the other day for The Trusted and it works. We even had a mix of keysend AND lnaddress within the same set of splits.
Castopod, Albyhub created the snippet of code I needed to add to the RSS and alls well with that but given the format, I donโt understand how to add a contributor as the code generated also ties back to my node. Unfortunately thereโs nothing at all in the Castopod docs covering PC2 features, only that theyโre enabled.
I need to have a read up but Iโve yet to find an easy to understand source, Iโve looked through the podcastindex resources and some of the Bluburry guides but most of the information goes above my current skill level. Iโm sure Iโm able to do it, just not there yet!
@ChadF and 33 others who runs castapod or knows it well enough to help out
@inpc ?
I know
@bitpunk.fm is typing had issues adding some stuff with castopod which is sad because they've been here since the beginning.
A few of us tried it early on but it's was ready so we moved on.
Exactly why I listen almost exclusively to metal, post-rock and "nostalgia music" (my name for synthwave, vaporwave, etc) and buy 99% of my music from Bandcamp.
Music is art, it's the language of emotion, but most refuse to accept this and continue consuming the pop-slop of the mainstream.
All I saw was this and it doesn't show Value which is what you need. Funding does allow links to things like PayPal.
Podcasting 2.0 is just a list of features apps and services can use so they are all different.
Yeah I remember him saying he had problems and is now totally DIY, Iโm a long way off that skills wise, mostly the new language I think, still donโt understand many of the terms used.
Has anyone youโre aware of done a super basic beginners guide to RSS? Iโm going to search myself but asking in case you know of something good I might not find.
We have found that podhome.fm has all the features we need so far and is pretty easy to understand. It also helps that the community has a direct line to the owner for support.
To be more clear on terminology, I should have prob said...
They SUPPORT all the TAGS we want to utilize in OUR FEEDS.
Also, for those who don't know, Bandcamp is the absolute best platform for music lovers. Artists can set a limit on free streams, they can dictate how much they charge for an album (sometimes not even requiring a minimum). The majority of revenue goes to them, and ALL of the revenue goes to them on Bandcamp Friday events.
At the consumer level, you own what you pay for. Not only is the music permanently in your library for unlimited streaming, you're given access to a variety of lossy and lossless file downloads (I usually go with FLAC). You can buy physical CDs, vinyls and even cassettes and MiniDisc in some cases (no joke). When you buy a physical copy, you get the digital files in all the formats and the unlimited streaming. Not to mention that you can sometimes get a band/label's entire discography for a discount; I got almost 500 "nostalgia music" albums for $3 because of that.
They also have basic social media features. Add a short message to the band when you buy. Comment on new music/merch releases. Follow others to get new ideas on what to buy. Leave brief reviews of your purchases. The list goes on. I've even gotten keys for free digital copies of albums thanks to labels giving them away to fans who use the social features.
In general, I don't know why ANY band or musician isn't on Bandcamp. It's objectively the best platform for artists and listeners both. Definitely use & support them if you can! We need more services like Bandcamp.
Have you looked at sovereignfeeds.com ? You can upload the audio/image files to your server and then use that tool to generate an xml file (podcast feed) with links to those audio/image filles it's very handy. You then upload that xml file to your server and enter the url to it in the indexes.
Try it out, download the xml file and inspect it, test in feed validators, it's a great way to learn!
This is how I feel learn Nostr terms so you're not alone.
This is a good start.
Fountain: Podcasts & Music
bitpunk.fm unwound โข Live with Lightning from Dev Hack Day 2025 โข Listen on Fountain
The talk I gave at dev hack day in Prague 2025 on livestreaming with lightning.
This also goes over musicsideproject.com and shows where the stuff is in the feeds.
This is also why I tell people using a host is also fine.
Thanks! This might actually be something I find LLMs useful for (I havenโt really to date), I just asked about creating examples of code needed for RSS feeds and they look right, I have some time tomorrow to play around. Good to know thereโs people here whoโve been around this scene a while.
That quote would be great if it was by Buddha ๐
Yeah so castapod gives you the ability to add "custom rss." Not sure if that's called exactly that. But you can paste in a xml snippet.
You can do this at the podcast level or the episode level.
So you can start by finding a valid RSS feed, copy their <value> block, modify it for your node or lnaddress, and then just paste it in.
For this, it worked.
@inpc have you see the DeMu feed template with comments on each of the tags? Not sure if it'll help but like
@Ishbit said, there's a bunch of us here willing to help! ๐ And value splits are huge part of what makes DeMu so incredible.
Here's the template
@Sir Spencer - Wolf of KC ๐บ put together after he and
@Able Kirby recorded Stay Awhile:
GitHub
demu-feed-template/feed-with-comments.xml at master ยท de-mu/demu-feed-template
Template for releasing decentralized music. Contribute to de-mu/demu-feed-template development by creating an account on GitHub.
This is why we just use sovereignfeeds.com to make feeds and host them wherever.
You could probably build a dummy feed here and just copy the value block info.
He has one address in there already and splits are just multiple but with a % for the split.
SF is the standard and a nice balance between a host and just copy/pasting pieces from other peoples feeds.
I haven't used it because I only need simple test feeds so it was easier to just do it from the DeMu template at the time.
I've tried sovereign feeds and would recommend as well.
Bandcamp is generally pretty good and most our artists use it in addition to DeMu.
I also need to kiss the tags? May explain why Iโve been strugglingโฆ ๐
Oh man. Autocorrect ๐ โmissingโ any tags
I thought thatโs what you meant but Iโll try kissing them anyway, need all the luck I can get. ๐
You do have to show it some love and encourage it. It is trying to help you share your content with the world after all.
It works with plants, why not RSS.
Iโve been using this as reference:
Value Recipient - Podcast Namespace - Podcasting 2.0
And then once Iโve made that bit, in Castopod as
@bitpunk.fm is typing has said, thereโs a box to copy and paste it into either in โedit podcastโ if you want it to apply to every episode, or โedit episodeโ if it changes each episode. Itโs called โadditional RSS tagsโ.
Currently, you value block looks like this:
<podcast:value type="lightning" method="keysend">
<podcast:valueRecipient name="thekalimerashow@getalby.com" type="node" address="039c6ce177bcbff05924bad1ab2e877b06ebf9201ea1e039886ad84ebc73e716c3" customKey="696969" customValue="1" split="100"/>
</podcast:value>
Say your manager, George, in his endless generosity suggests you add a split for
@nobody and me. 3% each, because of course Merlin and
@Rexi ๐ฆด deserve treats too. Then it would look like this:
<podcast:value type="lightning" method="keysend">
<podcast:valueRecipient name="thekalimerashow@getalby.com" type="node" address="039c6ce177bcbff05924bad1ab2e877b06ebf9201ea1e039886ad84ebc73e716c3" customKey="696969" customValue="1" split="94"/>
<podcast:valueRecipient name="james" type="lnaddress" split="3" address="strangetextures@coinos.io"/>
<podcast:valueRecipient name="setto@basspistol.com" type="node" address="02591ad07975526c7e8ee63362ca524a6b3fd7a55b18b652891c8b0d4a50cf6e7e" customKey="696969" customValue="1" split="3"/>
</podcast:value>
Pay attention to the differences in <podcast:valueRecipient> tags and within those, see the values in their respective split="".
Looking at that on my phone it looks correct but you won't know until you updated the feed and push it to production.
When/if you do just let us know and we can send some Boosts. You have one so adding others isn't much different.
Iโll give that a try once I figure out what the hell is going wrong with Nextcloud now, thanks!!
