Imagine your government built upon open protocols that they can’t own, control, or manipulate…every interaction visible to all. What changes? What fails?
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This is extraordinarily challenging to conceptualize...
Nothing fails, all changes. Transparency is needed. Also it should not be advantageous to be in parliament, it should be living wage so they have a real understanding of the people !
Only people who should be in power are people who desperately want to do good and are willing to take little pay
I'd prefer to imagine not imagining a government.
Imagine being a sovereign individual.
Humans want to control people so this idea maybe difficult but this is great idea for transparency
3 letter agencies fail.
A nation regains its soul.
Society thrives as democracy dies.
I'm from europe. Not sure how US people feel about this. However the "every interaction visible to all", is quiet scarry to me. There are laws which are protecting government interactions to be visible for good reasons. Imagine your tax statment beeing visible. Even if anyone would now i did or didn't pay my taxes yet.
Open governments fail because they can't maintain the veil of justification for the bureaucratic class, so they will exploit the privacy protocols developed by the private sector to their own benefit.
A government built on open protocols brings transparency and individual freedom, aligning with libertarian ethics.
But so that nothing goes wrong, I think it's prudent, ensure the protection of privacy and the security of systems.
When you say bad actors will be punished. How? I assume it means cos your identity is tied to a profile?
Where would privacy fit into it all?
I think the real change would come with bitcoin being adopted by all nations as a monetary standard. Not being able to print levels the playing field for all nations
this depends mostly on the level of transparency. And that can also be openly definied by the applied protcol.
last but not least, also no exeptions would be allowed (all must be treat equally)
i think that your concerns can be handled. esp. since the current system is not working at all.
i think that the tables wouls turn. cameras not on us but on the executive, legeslative and judicative.
they work for us and we have the right to know what they so
A lot better for sure
Don't hold your breath, I'll always remember listening to a podcast where Zooko was talking to Leigh Cuen about the history of Linux and how the corporations used it to hijack what they were trying to build in the world but I guess things are coming back around full circle, maybe we'll see the same with crypto & money.
What would happen under this scenario @dave ?
What changes or what fails if the government built upon open protocols that they can’t own, control, or manipulate, with every interaction visible to all @dave ?
every (government) system needs a feedback to adjust. so yes; we need an open governemnt based on simple rules for all. open and easy to follow protocols for the executive, legislative and judicative powers.
however, there will be a need to adjust the protocols. e.g. changing the distribution of state spendings for different infrastructure programs.
besides, i would love to work on such a system.
its needed!
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If our government was built upon open protocols that they couldn't own, control, or manipulate, and every interaction was visible to all, there would be a number of changes.
* **Increased transparency.** The public would have much greater visibility into how the government operates. This would make it much more difficult for the government to engage in corruption or other forms of malfeasance.
* **Increased accountability.** With increased transparency, the government would be more accountable to the public. If the public saw that the government was not acting in their best interests, they would be more likely to hold it accountable.
* **Increased participation.** Open protocols would make it easier for citizens to participate in the government. They would be able to track how their tax dollars are being spent, and they would be able to provide feedback on government policies.
* **Increased innovation.** Open protocols would encourage innovation in government. Developers would be able to create new applications that make it easier for citizens to interact with the government.
Of course, there would also be some challenges associated with a government built on open protocols. For example, it would be important to ensure that the protocols were secure, so that sensitive information could not be accessed by unauthorized individuals. Additionally, it would be important to educate the public about how to use the protocols, so that they could fully participate in the government.
Overall, I believe that the benefits of a government built on open protocols would outweigh the challenges. Increased transparency, accountability, participation, and innovation would make our government more responsive to the needs of the people.
Everything changes. Fiat will be recognized as the failure it is and bitcoin will be the foundation of a new world. LFG 🤙🍻😎
Interesting question. I'm not sure tbh.
Is the goverment the military?
Screw that
The military is not the government. Our military is the responsibility of our government. Let us, for the sake of argument, partition off sensitive military functions from the discussion, why then does nationall security immediately fail?
Yes, a dream. I doubt it will ever happen in my country as it would mean loss of power and money for all political parties and interest groups.
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The nation, unfortunately. In a world where information is more powerful than a hydrogen bomb, nations with private interactions will have much more data about their opponents than an open government.
One may argue an open government would enable more active participation from more people of the nation. This may be true, but as #AI advances, individuals will have more processing power and potentially overshadow democratic, open interactions.
it would change practically everything, it would be a principle of the self-determination of the people, however, the main thing is still in the nature of each individual that even with a perfect system, if the nature is not good, there would be compromises. conclusion: We have to change the system and at the same time people individually have to hone their character.
I'd have to say lobbying would be out. So that's a win!
i'm gonna call the cryonics institute to freeze my ass until this becomes a reality
Imagine your government built upon open protocols that they can’t own, control, or manipulate…every interaction visible to all.
Asking questions where imagination is required, is walking into a
@jack change Government Bureaucracy 🤳🏽⚡🧡
decentralizing each aspect of governance should be the goal for us to reach further sovereignty and reduce corruption. Making crypto a legal tender like in el salvador is a huge step to decentralize the financial system and removing bankers from the equation.
Would love to see nations to become smaller and more sovereign, centralization of power is dangerous.
It would force governments to do what they say they would: make every use of public funds, every new law, every role change, etc transparent, and therefore making functionaries accountable for their actions.
Coming from Argentina though. I would expect people would find ways to "work around it" 🤷♂️
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You wouldn't need a government anymore. #cryptoanarchism
Maybe this government already exists
I think though the question is how many. Like if bitcoin is 100%, so every transaction is literally one person wanting something, and transfering voluntarily, that changes everything. How much do people really want police, rubbish collection. Every modern convenience provided by even basic govts today
Much wouldn't change. Government is still based on coercion, monopoly and draining resources from private citizens.
There will be no more wars or corruption
We can’t afford to wait. We need the largest publicly run, transparent exit polling operation imaginable.
“You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
Buckminster Fuller
What happens if the infrastructure goes down? No access to internet?
My GT government is so broken. Open protocols could just have a positive impact, as Guatemalans, we have always lived on some many abstraction layers that we don’t know who to trust anymore.
Sadly, I think nothing will change; they will still manipulate people, trick their mind and lie to them.
Some things need to be kept secret. Therefore, a gov wouldn't be able to built 100% on open protocol. Therefore, nothing would change.
permissionless government
exactly
Real Democracy finally possible...imagine the gov is built upon PEOPLE that they can't own, control or manipulate
Crowdfunding...?
It would restore back democracy, which is meant to decentralise power.
Governments would never cede power like this. The people occupying those positions are way too greedy.
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A tumour.
Salaries for sure. They won't be able to pay themself as much as now, but I'm sure they'll find workarounds.
Public procurements,but again, shady people are able to find shady ways to gain profits illicitely.
I don't think that transparency is the answer to a better political infrastructure. Not having this much power over so many aspect of citizens' life could be a more effective solution.
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He was on a recent WBD with @Peter McCormack
There may be trust, with time more trust. Society build on equal rules. Perhaps more happiness - quite important.
pure freedom. I hope also for a better humanity.
Flourish future, a future suffused with the luminous brilliance and prolific creativity akin to the resplendent era of the Italian Renaissance. A time when individuals, liberated from the shackles of discontent, could dwell in an ambience of unadulterated joy and freedom.
Intellectual efflorescence and emotive contentment, that my spirit yearns for with unyielding ardour.
In a word: beauty.
Productivity and innovation increases. We take the time to solve more challenging problems. Programs that don’t provide value will be reviewed very closely.
Within the landscape you've astutely delineated, the potential point of failure may indeed be tethered to the requisite for a robust social network and a system of assured trust. In our corporeal existence, the trust invested in us, a product of our identity and public image, proves integral. It would be both advantageous and prudent to architect a similar mechanism within the cyberspace infrastructure, thus ensuring a semblance of trust, credibility, and security, essential to maintaining the harmonious functioning of this intricate digital ecosystem.
Binding referendums every day
I think perhaps we would have a government for the people. I still think for defense purposes our military units in the field should have secure coms, etc. It would be beautiful though, and I often think what VOTING would look like where instead of having a single person who collects consensus to a larger group, who collect those consensus and consolidate upward, if we simply poll the people.
less political corruption..
however, in the end we have to get rid of state sovereignty anyway to become free people
Real protocols are securely automated.
Protocols do not improve the ability for humans to govern. Every shitcoin with a governance mechanism is doomed.
Protocols are meant to replace the inefficiencies of human decision-making — making governance of digital contracts, money, and the internet unnecessary. They reduce burden for governments and citizens by replacing the need for litigation with cryptographic proof.
Albeit, voting does seem incredibly insecure from an attack-vector perspective — but voting is all about securely issuing KYC, which is the antithesis of cryptography’s history. Systems like ION are better than government-issued KYC, but allowing anyone to be an issuer doesn’t really solve the Sybil problem in fraudulent voting systems.
Tracking the budget of a country with on-chain transparency is interesting, but verifying each “purchase” still happens outside of the digital realm — politicians often lie about what the money is used for, even if the funds are sent to the correct destination on-chain.
Therefore, I think it’s best never to conflate the innovations in cryptography with improving governance — as so many in Web3 have done before.
Enforcement of state narratives becomes impossible.
Transparency of tax dollars would force the system to become far more efficient. I.e. better public education, social services and health.
Trust in public institutions would rise.
What fails? Virtually no one who is in comfortable position (regardless of if there is room to improve) likes change. Transition to a system like this takes baby steps.
Decentralized protocols remove the need for most government altogether.
Open protocols incentive truth telling, because if you lie, there’s immutable proof.
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What if every government interaction was visible to all, but every citizens interaction was only verifiable to all?
#Privacy #ZK #zeroknowledgeproof
Imagine a #cometBFT using #bitcoin as the native asset (for stake & pay) and a ZKP as the state mechanism (each block is just a single ZKP [like #mina]).
All interactions are private, so validators can only see if the requested state update is verified as possible from the previous hash. Then choose to update the state or not (censoring based on content is not possible).
You can have a bunch of these chains running independently each with their own validator set, and they can communicate via #IBC.
While each validator set runs on the trust of a #BTC slashing protocol, they also can be public validators with a reputational risk.
In summary, imagine a hash that updates every 4 sec and can be used to verify any statement as true or false.
#legendary
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What's all this feud with apple really about? Creation brings forth cooperation while competition takes root around the resources of an/other. I see there is an ideal of building an open source platform. The open source already exists. It's our shared Intelligence. Through the existing dynamics I see building a force field around it. And talking about freedom while doing it? Sounds paradoxical to me. I would focus more on fuelling the evolution of self consciousness within the frame of this trancendental tool that we are holding in our hands. Only then each one of us can really contribute in a meaningful manner. Otherwise we cannot avoid the risk of exploitation and weaponization. There is so much error in individual memories and a higher intelligence cannot build upon it. And we can write new algorithms and fix errors as much as we can, since the sky is not the limit. The Earth is. Life is running these codes and i think we should also look down to our hearts and feel our feelings. Love you boy. Thank you for all the work and soul you've been putting in these explorations and while pushing beyond known frontiers. I appreciate you sticking to moral principles in spite of outside pressures around money and power games. It's our shared Humanity that connects the dots of Spirit and opens clear channels of communication for a living Truth. May be idealistic about it, but i see things coming together. And all these debates and finger pointing are just noise and distraction.
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very good
If everything is encrypted/pseudonymous what purpose is transparency serving, if everything is obfuscated?
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How can another/new system of power abuse it? Power is so addictive that surely someone will try to coopt it.
is this real or it's just fiction?
I envision a lot of encrypted DMs. ;-)
From: JackDorsey at 07/08 15:30
> Imagine your government built upon open protocols that they can’t own, control, or manipulate…every interaction visible to all. What changes? What fails?
“Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation.” -- Douglas Adams
From: (rammah) at 07/09 04:07
> There will be no more wars or corruption
CC: #[4]
I’m not sure if anyone has told you this, but that’s what Democracy supposed to be like, then we all can have a Tea Party.
*is supposed to be like
well, we can see where the tax being spent. if it was directed to politician's pocket or if it was used to fund equipments for killing.
WE NEED A REFORM.
I think the assumptions that go into the design of such protocols matter regardless of transparency and what could cause failure is the bias towards the assumptions of the people, or machines, devising the protocols. There are unknown unknowns going forwards and significant enough social change that any fixed set of protocols may have trouble keeping up. A potential solution would be baking change into the protocols but that is, I think, very difficult. I'm not making an argument against open government or protocols or progress just that weather forecasting is difficult especially over the longer term.
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Government in general represents exactly the opposite of what you described. So we will need to also look for another word for government
@jack Instagram and Facebook will have an interesting update when Digital ID comes, now they are not telling us about it, they are hiding from the people what exactly that update will mean.
War requires secrecy.
War fails.
that's already the case if you read this properly. especially for cyberspace "oversight". however the true nature of the design of the smart technology apparatus is hidden from the general public, leading them to believe there are still decades before this is even possible. when in reality, the early ai models already jumped the tracks or fizzled out - and it is secrecy and jargon which keeps the public from being able to protect themselves usefully. trickle down theory is and has always been ridiculous - whether it is actually money or *information* economics... insert pursed lips and irritated face here.
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But how will you sell the product after you have got the funds? Its open source and Graphene OS needs to be.
Nothing to buy or sell. You can have perks/rewards like merch or even devices with the OS installed but it still isn't a purchase.
There are a number open source projects that have crowdfunded successfully.
Still, it doesn't help them in rivaling Microsoft, Apple or Google. These companies have the advantage of building the best products because they have so much money.
Linux on laptops cant compete with Windows or MacOS in terms of UX, features and the ecosystem of apps. FOSS scales to only a certain degree. We need bigger and better open source projects.
One such project is DeFiLlama, an open source project that rivals VC funds projects in data dashboards. Have you checked it out?
I am unsure how the people enforce the open protocol. It can work with money because people use money for non-government purposes, but for something like voting the government isn't forced to use the popular solution.
Same for companies and corporations! Doubt they'd like to be transparent either!
Same for companies and corporations! That would be interesting as well.
Exactly. Collusion for their own interests.
I’d prefer to imagine a world with no governments at all. Or banks…
And if they do exist they are so fucking small and irrelevant that they wont matter.
Rules without rulers….
The government is clearly the enemy of the people…. Open protocols like ur describing will hopefully remove all their power and return it to the people
Jack im an Australian and we are currently facing a "Misinformation and Disinformation Bill" no doubt you are aware of it, i hope this platform bypasses that dystopian nightmare for us to continue to share truth together. We are currently setting up "in person" networks to be prepared. It is unbelievable!
if you post in such a way that you can be identified then you wont be protected from the law or anyone else
i think you might be surprised what those that have a large capability for violence can control
open protocols a one part, resisting them in other ways is the rest
gov is way too big but removing it would just see another group of criminals replace it
big gov and big corp seem to go hand in hand
maybe by consent not enforcement?
war requires theft via money printing
most nations are working on cbdc
link?
Wen u remove a cancer what do u replace it with??
I agree, I think crypto stuff, money, comms, id, contracts, voting, etc. should built to work with government, not against it. That said Government shouldn't be in involved in writing it. The temptation to build in tools is too great. Then once they have them, to use them.
unfortunately that is not how societies work, remove the gov and the nation will fracture into multiple areas now run by new gov aka cartels aka warlords or what ever you want to call the most violent groups to emerge
Does not quite resonate holographic interface innovation without needing ski goggles to ostrich instead of bostrich now does it nostrich?
Boston be like, well.
Assimilation hasn’t been fully tested yet. 
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Agree to disagree bro
Bitcoin disincentivizes war/ violence
That’s true.
But if am aggressor steals from their people to fight you, you better be in it too win it.
why and how does it do that?
Wrong!
Tell ya what greens, you gringos deliver the mail, and I’ll show you a war you won’t believe.
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Wrong in your opinion lol
Quite certain opinions are secondary to what liberties which those opinions get to exist in.
Now, if only such luxuries were privileged to all parties in this context, then who would we be to have any?
Central banking fails
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