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I havent read this yet because Svetski has turned me off with most things he's said in the past, and it's long as fuck. if anyone I know and respect suggests I read it, I'll do so. quoting it anyway both for visbility for the author and to source the potential aforementioned suggestions

according to this article bitcoiners were suppressing their “shiny object syndrome” and then came nostr to fix that 😳 dude i’m sorry that your venture didn’t play out as you planned but why shit on nostr and say that bitcoiners are trying to chase a high, smh you’re right it’s a tool, i use it to fix what it can for me and so do others, you tried for your use case and it didn’t work out, find something else but expecting nostr to be a swiss army knife is naive

I think satlantis has a really good potential and on the right track with nostr. So I will share just a feedback of what I want it to be able to get done and usable as satlantis itself will promote nostr and will do it great, the nostr apps will be what promotes the protocol. 1. Login with nostr is great, login with just nsec could benefit with other nostr login options. 2. I find it much more appealing and easy to navigate and find merchants on it per place than btc map which is great. That said it needs more coverage. 3. The comment section display needs some Wot as the bots spill a lot of nonsense per hashtag so a new nostr user just visiting there will be wtf (see Dubai for example, world news are for elsewhere). 4. When I first checked satlantis sometime ago I actually thought that it could be some sort of combination with nostr airbnb. It is a huge deal to run but users may be more interested in organising events with accommodation (lets all of us go to @fiatjaf 's hostel shed first 🤣). There is a huge difference in bitcoin adoption for these few years so a lot of places will have more to offer. On a practical note what I want to see is place tab with wot feed > scores (possibly including rates from your nostr wot)> Accommodations with btc (same full info) maybe developed in a booking through nostr system > Merchants (that tab is great) > Events (dont worry about that one, when people start to book and organise, they would want to share that travel and clients will be obliged to implement in a compatible way unless there js a radical nip change or something). Btw apart from Nostur thats the first other usable nostr app that shows who followed you as notification 🔥 In short satlantis is not lacking on nostr, nostr is not lacking on satlantis, both need more practicallity. Just only in recent months I see more focused specific app development that concentrates on a specific target market and aims to do it well. That is a nostr business model and leverages above the tool label.

Thankyou for all the feedback. We have a BUNCH in the works, including a few of the things you highlighted there. As of April, we’ll roll out a new version with some of those improvements. June is the “official launch” and by then, you’ll see what we have in store for the “base product” with the “base functionality”. One question I do have for you.. How would you like to learn about product updates? Essays by me? Posts on Nostr by me? Posts from the Satlantis account? Each have their pros and cons Curious to hear from you on this

The three of the above as you have a circle that follows you already, use all of your marketing skills, plus maybe do a bit of zapvertasing through wot as well to avoid every bot out there and hit real nostr users. Also when you put out the message, zap for reposts of the long and short forms as well, I have noticed that for better or worse that spreads like fire 🤣🤙These are at least the methods that I have seen working so far.

Btw an option on satlantis for nostr dm updates wont be bad too, preferably the 44 kind.

Also a similar bot that runs on the Satlantis npub and explains things to userd may kick things off. Updates or whatever you want to be known similar to the Ditto one but for Satlantis and business. Ai could or not be an overkill for that depending what you want to do.

Nah. I’d rather avoid using AI to talk about what we’re building. That’s my job. I’m just wondering where I should post it that is most likely to be seen

One thing I’d take issue with is the BlueSky example. Users did not flock there because they were being censored on X and needed something permission-less; they flocked there because they had LOST the power to censor others on X and wanted it back for themselves. The promise they see in BlueSky is not greater freedom, but that their faction has enough concentration of power to limit the freedom of others. So there’s no mystery as to why they didn’t turn to this platform. It’s everything they didn’t want.

If anyone thinks that I’m just being partisan about this, please realize that when BlueSky started to blow up big, everyone was reporting each other‘s posts over ideological impurity, so much so that the system couldn’t even keep up with it. They did not go there to escape censorship. They went there to inflict it .

I use Bluesky time to time because it's the only place on the internet I can subscribe to an algorithmic twitter-style feed about the Godot game engine. It's either there or nowhere, so I guess it's there.

That’s a very good point. And I agree with you in general. That being said… 1. It doesn’t really answer why (one of) the biggest increases in BlueSky user growth happened when X was banned in Brazil (not sure wtf explain that tbh 😂). 2. I still don’t think “censorship resistance” is an appealing enough narrative to create a meaningful enough network effect. That doesn’t mean censorship resistance shouldn’t be “baked into” Nostr as a standard (IMO that’s SUPER important), but I don’t think it’s going to appeal to a lot of people outside of whoever is mostly already here & gets it. I think we need to Trojan horse it into larger audiences via other means. Or who knows - maybe we shouldn’t even talk about it at all? I’m not sure what the exact solution is. Still experimenting

You’re 100% right about this btw

Yeah. 🤝

The Brazil ban coincided with the peak USA campaign season, so it could be that.

Perhaps. Who really knows. It’s all tea leaves anyway from where we sit.

The few times I have been there I have been censored. So I am not so sure this is so. X itself will censor. They seem to have something against certain words like "cisgender". Both times I used that word in a post I got limited visibility notice.

Bumped onto this post and the 'as-nostr-as-possible' substack. Great reads! Please take my sats. From your blog post I am trying to solve the slowness + crawl ability with a server/client model. I've been told (by Nostr purists) that if the app is not using outbox/relay model/OSS it's not truely Nostr. So glad to read about the concept 'as nostr as possible' approach which is the model i've been applying prioritising user features/speed/UX over ideology. And while the eco-system gets better more parts of the app(s) can be ported to be pure Nostr.

Censorship resistance will soon be a big topic again in all of EU. The DSA will force a lot of people to find something like nostr.

About Bluesky the client yes, about ATProtocol the protocol, no. They always get conflated. Here for example is how ATProtocol devs see it (the opposite of censorship). nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzpwgv8jm36e358cq3qn2unt0hmvzaxejnk9mqrlum9m464qd7v7prqqs9axfm4n52u9l8jcmka5wsvynnrwc5qt4rh5xuw59jwc0zp75c4gq7ju6zu

They should try nostr if they care about resisting censorship. At protocol doesn't even use keypairs logins

ATProtocol does use keys, k256 key pairs by default. The PDS just puts a nanny password layer between the user and the keys, the same as the pseudo password thing that some Nostr clients once experimented with going back. ATProtocol you can start off self-hosted and have full control of your DID and your keys. Or you can start off with their hosting and later pull out your repo and your keys.

No I can't dipshit, they banned me before "opening up federation" And even if they've got my posts archived somewhere to let me have them back later, there is no longer any chance for me to keep up with the network's growth in maintenance of my mute lists and stuff. At protocol lost me by having me banned during that period of growth to stop me from keeping up on mute lists and stuff

If you started out on their hosting but you set up your did:web then you can still re-establish where else you want and pull your repo in, no matter your ban. Assuming there's anything valuable in the repo.

Sorry for insulting you I doubt copies of my posts exist anymore, I don't remember any of the stuff you're talking about being there when I was there I think they made sure to ban me before opening up any of the stuff you're talking about This is a painful topic, I'm traumatized by my many internet bans and resultant level of isolation