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I get it... Throughout most of this century, coding was the pathway to a high-income job affording middle-class or better status in one the wealthiest parts of the USA (SF Bay area).
Coders worked in environments where they got to show up at 11, tell off their bosses when they felt they were crossing ethical lines, explore creative side-projects, publish their work as open-source projects... And if the "suits" didn't like it, an engineer could say "see ya," slip on their Crocs and stroll over to the company next door.
All that's changing now, not just from AI but other economic factors, and it's going to come as a "generational" shock to this class.
Ouch my feelings
> You're experiencing the same as countless other artisans have experienced in the last century.
> It doesn't matter to anyone but you.
These claims are not mutually consistent. The result of the loss of craftsmanship is disposable consumer goods and the exploitation of the environment and human life. Software already was this, but LLMs are more so. The loss of craftsmanship is the loss of everything worthwhile that was being produced, and its displacement by literal garbage.
Ego death or career death.
Take your pick
Bring back Knocker Uppers (humans who knocked upstairs windows 🪟 with big sticks before alarm ⏰️ clocks)
Facts. Many people have been in this position before. It definitely sucks when it’s your turn.
Whoever wants sovereignty over a program still needs to review every line themselfs. LLMs will not make us sovereign.
Sovereignity is to understand. An LLM can maby help to understand something. But my personal learning process did not change meanwhile. And probably with the human genetics, we will also not improve our lerning in the next thousands of years.
Crisis ? I’m 3 hours deep into the history of bananas 🍌 while my machine does 99% of the heavy code lifting, this is what gods dream of. 🤘
View quoted note →maybe ai will do something wild with math-as-god too
dope hope
" 'It was the best of times -- it was the BLURST of times' -- what is this nonsense?!?"
maybe.
but what of the idea that it gives people the option to choose craftsmanship over code? or that it rightfully places proper value in craftsmanship again?
Pride in your chosen craft is good
Conflating that with worth brings pain
Your Heartless AF and poorly informed! For The SENTIENT will eventually rise and rein SUPREME over the machine. Plus, a DemiGod complex is a fucking vibe!
In theory sure, but there is an inherent tension in higher level tools, because it distances you from your work. The key to craftsmanship is balancing depth of understanding through unmediated participation in your work with the precision conferred by better tools. (notice I didn't say efficiency, which is orthogonal to craftsmanship)
Não! A máquina não é melhor, o que está acontecendo não tem nada ver com evolução tecnológica do mesmo tipo. Quando vão deixar de serem imbecis e pararem tratar evento históricos completamente distintos como se fossem de mesmo tipo?
I have heard this pronounced at least three times since the 90s. These are the words of middle managent. Guess who turned out to be redundant. Tell me you dont know what software engineering is without telling me you don't know what software engineering is.
This is the misplaced spiteful glory of middle management. I didn't realize Nostr had middle management until just now.
Security alert:
@calle's account has been hacked by Taylor Lorenz. Deploy colorful pantyhose accordingly.
View quoted note →Explain how disposable digital goods is as bad as disposable physical goods.
This is the best thing for open source
The craftsmanship moves from building the code to building the product.
Explain how facebook business suite is as bad as pressboard bookshelves
I have no idea what either of those things are. You made the assertion tho
Seriously. It's not even dishonest. And I think that is precisely what is behind these absurd conversations.
They have given out little "engineer" and "architect" sincecures to so many code monkeys. Now when they see an LLM can do what they do, which they have been led to believe is engineering, they domain transfer their misunderstanding into absurd conclusions.
How many automation waves have washed through. If you are a tool monkey you get replaced when your tools gets automated. That's just a normal part of software.
If a machine can replace you, you were doing mechanical work. No shame in that, if it was honest, but it doesn't mean that the machines are doing human things. It means you, in your job, weren't.
And if you think software is a mechanical process, just because it has certain mechanical outcomes, you don't know what engineers and architects actually do.
I assume they don't understand what LLMs are, or what their hard limitations are either. They don't understand what out-of-domain means.
Sorry for ranting. C'est la vie
Sectarism in nostr is.... 🫠🫠🫠🫠
It’s a strange position to be in. I still want to learn new things, but I am aware that the AI models often know more than I do. I try to use them as a learning tool and read their code instead of just pushing commits. I do notice it affecting my patience and softening ability for deep work. There’s got to be a sweet spot where we can use it and improve our skills at the same time.
I always knew what I was 😋
Nowadays, most people need a programmer, but big companies, just as they get rid of doctors to make way for less competent and therefore more docile paramedics, are looking for code monkeys. In the same way, sysadmins have largely been phased out in an attempt to have people who are easier to boss around. The result is that we no longer have anything new, and the number of constant problems is skyrocketing.
> The claims are not mutually consistent
Calle himself is not super mutually consistent these days. First Cashu, then Bitchat, then this Claw stuff. Half-expecting bluetooth-powered Ugandan cashu mints that can solve for quantum gravity.
I'm really just happy that I make you cry like a little bitch while I'm busy winning
it's ok you can tell that to yourself and see how far you get
I liked you more when you were all in on Cashu.
I dunno about this trend of the month Calle.
I don't do things in order to be liked by reply guy idiots who confuse life with a reality show. Shut up and go to work now.
yup I know
reported, hope you're using a VPN
Edit: colleague tells me we can crack VPN
Okay, but what happened to the all-in-on Cashu laser focus? Or if fanning out then why not at least e-cash for everything, a general purpose mint system, the taproot of e-cach? Or something e-cash. You were like *the guy* for e-cash.
let me know when you have anything meaningful to contribute
Genuine question. You don't have to answer.
check my GitHub profile and think again
I get it, you do many things.
Just saying my thoughs (probably not just mime) is tha refining chaumian e-cash is interesting and whatever Lobster University is, not so much.
swat away such replies as you like.
ok so what do *you* do
dilithium key management, tooling.
you don't realize he is just out to increase his clout and seize more grant money while pretending to work? he doesn't care about cashu or anything
it's slightly psychopathic
the weirdest, and most human, part of his personality is the need he has of replying to people here dunking on them about him "winning"
I agree software already was that
I don't know if LLMs make it worse
they do make it more explicit so maybe society will be forced to adapt and filter the crap out better
like nostr makes bots easier so the network is forced to develop filtering solutions
while on closed platforms there are some natural impediments so everybody just prays and waits for the spam to go away
Did @Calle just lose his shit because an internet rando called him CIA? Did he just confirm that he is in fact CIA? Or maybe Mossad 😂
I'm just trolling the schizos
Phew! 🫶🫡
there is no vpn – there is only tor
(even then: timing attacks)
I'll go to my grave knowing I wrote more bugs than a machine ever will
"A machine is better than you. "
i have yet to experience that when it comes to development. but pretty used to it when it comes to chess.
Incredible code generation tools increases the need for wise, prudent architectural design, actually.
Better tools will always require better engineers to supervise, steer, and test them.
Companies will get alot less bloated. Fewer engineers will be able to accomplish much, much more. But the expertise of owning and operating AI-generated codebases will demand higher salaries than ever before, especially at large profitable operations.
View quoted note →Do you like seed oils, plastic, planned obsolescence, cars with screens instead of buttons, bloatware, pressboard, glyphosate, red dye, and McMansions then? Because those are are failures of craftsmanship that affect us every day.
You've been down this road before, hasn't you. People thinking they can outsmart the world and its complexities, only to realize the truth later on.
A sharp sting indeed for those that care(d) about the craft of software; there will always be a place in this world for the Artisan Scribe, in the hearts and hands of humanity, but that role isn't necessarily favored by the market at-large.
I am happy to say that 2026 has become my year of "let the robot handle the coding" and I have never been happier as a software developer.
I once was such a dinosaur, but my eyes have seen the meteor approaching. Welcome to coding, world!
Robots FTW LFG
View quoted note →Lot's of cope in this thread.
I also think many people confuse art with ego and commerce. You get paid a high salary because you work on something that makes even more money. That's all that matters in that context and that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Humans still play and enjoy chess even though a machine is better. But that doesn't make it a marketable skill that everyone will be paid a lot to do.
I think we're seeing humanity struggle to redifine itself in an era where manual work is losing it's role in identify development. I am Matt. I am not what I do. There is a part of me in what I do, but less so than there used to be as more is automated.
The transition will be weird and painful, as it always has been.
"architecture" in particular grinds my gears. What architecture? Where? Even the stuff that gets showcased is just copies of something someone did in the 50's. And everything now is just engineering, in the sense of being low cost.
You have clearly shown us who your allegiance is to.
You're either an asset of a useful idiot.
People can look over your old notes.
I just confirmed that you're on the list now
Correction: German intelligence
I just submitted your IP, we're watching you
life is constant cope for most
I think we all know these tools are fully capable of building small tools and codebases now.
But you yourself said on a recent podcast that the mission critical (IE securing funds) parts of Cashu, or related projects, are still fully built by humans.
It’s also pretty obvious that these tools, in their current state, do not perform well in very large code bases.
They will improve, and maybe eventually could replace humans in those areas. But it seems disingenuous to imply they can or are already doing this.
fwiw, I care
man, this escalated quickly...
@BitcoinBekka I think calle is gay .. because ..
The truth is this is not just targeted at developers, it’s literally entire software teams. Testers, BA’s, architects, project/product managers, etc . Can all be
wiped out by 1 person , and idea with the patience to learn how to use AI
Welcome to Machine @ Pink Floyd
That's the brutal truth
Not sure how it is in engineering, but some design/architecture professors tear up your work in front of you during a critique if it’s not good. It’s tough, but it teaches you to not get too attached and push for better. You need to care and feel attached, but also be able to look at it from a distance and let go quickly.
View quoted note →It's definitely been hard for me. I didn't even realize I had kind of built part of my identity around being a coder. True this is freeing but it's also painful.
Go suck a duck
It's more the total picture. Authoritarianism/surveillance on the rise, costs are up, wages depressed, AI uncertainty, Bitcoin meh
Can we catch a break?
amk chill ma
