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Here I want to take a tangent .. Better just doesn't mean better technology or better protocol ... from end user standpoint a novelty of user interface is more important .. new interface gets created only when we are trying to solve a new problem ... In essence being different is more important ...
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@Ray Buni with spacestr.com.
Let's stop copying what's already around,
AND BRING ONE BACK THAT MILLIONS HAVE STRONG NOSTALGIA WITH!
WE WILL PILL THE WORLD.
ITS UP TO US.
They’re not fighting separate fights. They will be stronger together 💪
nostr >> walled gardens
I'm bullish. Keep building brother 🫂💪🚀
I'm bookmarking this...just to have a comprehensive list of all the #freedomtech alternatives!
Nope. You are falling for the "either/or" fallacy, also known as binary thinking. Instead think about how to make the projects better, how to make them grow, how to make them scale. Nothing is more dangerous to nostr (and bitcoin!) than the trope, "bitcoin is dead IF <insert impossible demand>". Instead, cypherpunks, write code.
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As long as they remain clones of the original products, tirelessly trying to catch up, no one will ever truly notice them.
Most of these are already objectively better than their legacy counterparts; it's not always necessarily enough.
Vitor Pamplona
Amethyst must be better than X. Olas must be better than Instagram. ChaChi must be better than Discord. Flotilla must be better than Slack. 0xChat must be better than WhatsApp. Habla must be better than Medium. HiveTalk must be better than Zoom. Fountain must be better than Spotify. ZapStream must be better than Twitch. ZapStore must be better than the PlayStore. Coop must be better than Telegram.
Otherwise, these projects are already dead.
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Nostr.net has a massive list.
To get people to switch, it has to be 10x better. I forgot who said that, originally, but you don't win an entrenched audience with marginal improvements.
All of those points seem more like an indication that nostr has already taken over rather than a requirement to winning
GM! We must be better than normie internet
View quoted note →Amethyst is better than Twitter. Change my mind.
But forks and iteration
Coop?
The truth is that none of these are better than sitting around a fire with your friends and talking.
I don't think they are better. I mean the user experience is actually better in most of these centralized apps.
I think these nostr clients are alive only because -
1. They use a better protocol
2. They are getting supported by a better money
3. There are some people behind these clients who have a better vision of social media.
That's not enough to survive as a project or product. If they are not better, they are just going to slowly die. We need to make them better. Otherwise there is no future. Regardless of the base protocol or money they operate on.
Who let the truth in here?
None of this is an impossible demand. This is how products work. It is either better than the other alternatives (there are always alternatives) or they are not going to survive. And all the alternatives will always fight back.
Hmm that's true. Although I must admit that the nostr clients are improving really fast.
Just to expand on it , from historical standpoint , none of the open source apps on Linux , that simply took a slam dunk approach from Windows ( or even Mac) , got to a critical mass .. They were mere good starting points for devs to learn to develop on Linux .. Sure they attracted open source community and those who were bought into Linux - and hence vowed to never use Windows .. but that is pretty much it .. the outcome is Linux could never make a dent in the laptop / desktop market .. It worked great on the server side because devs stick to time tested Unix Cli and utils ..
Nostr devs should ask a question to themselves - if you were NOT a nostr dev ,, and someone asked you to use an X replacement or an Insta or Whatsapp slam dunk - what are the chances you would quit your existing network to try our something that is just a (perceived) copy ( from user standpoint ) .. It might be running a great protocol or an open OS ... but the tax to switch to a new thing is justified only by those who share the rabbit hole .. not commoners .. Effectively your current users are #nostr enthusiasts .. not Amethyst or Damus enthusiasts .. protocol can get you only 30 K testers .. if you want to reach 3 billion than you need to find an unsolved problem for humans ( or bots :-) and build an interface . .. Interface need NOT be best in class .. It just need to be different enough to catch an eye .. the real meat is in what problem you are solving .. humans have an uncanny ability to seek/smell value .. they will find ...
Make a Nostr client that is better than GitHub and everybody will switch. The truth is that no one has created a good place for nips yet inside of Nostr. Like I said in the post, it MUST be better. Just decentralization and "better money" will never cut it.
DAMUS
? Damus is not a GitHub alternative.
It could be
Will Signal ever replace WhatsApp ? No matter how much privacy or open source laurels it has .. and enenglised by likes of Jack .. The point is , if a problem is already solved .. why waste time on that when there are millions of other problems to be solved ?
Hundreds of companies tried to replace Google by copying Google .. no one succeeded .. chatGPT rattled it in a matter of months .. why ..because chatGPT didn't copy .. it solved a new problem ..
Amethyst is way better than X. Olas, unfortunately... I tried it several times and I can't even like a post or follow an account, let alone actually make a post. And there's not even an error to tell you what went wrong ... It's got to first become usable before competing with Instagram.
I haven't tried those other apps
he means the ux needs to be simply better if you want to break inertia
Yeah, I think the TimApple version of it gets much more love, and that is why some praise it differently? The Android version will be lucky to show your "For you" feed, and that is it. Anyway, we are patient, good work going on there.
I get prioritizing a platform (even though there are cross-platform ways to develop apps), but why would they even release it for Android if the basic functionality doesn't work?
YES
They need to build a better app if they want to replace what's app.
True but not true. I think no opensource product has won through having better features.
Rather I see the path of opensource in natural unforced growth. Slow but steady. And every law that enforces better privacy or attacks the privacy gives a small push to all existing privacy first applications.
Really I think there will be no great breakthrough. But rather a slow discovering by individuals and when they are communicative, may the network around them too.
And Nostr has unique Selling points, which are hard to beat:
- Resilience through decentralization
- enforcing the freedom of speech
- spamresistant including ads
These are three forces, that is impossible for any commercial centralized company to attack without loosing. Nostr has these points close to the pareto-optimum.
As long as there are clients which offer the pareto optimum to a user, no fancy app can deviate a user.
Amethyst has been my go to app for Nostr. Thank you for your work.
I'm curious why you believe that. Can you elaborate a bit? I've never used Damus. What feature makes you believe that it be a Github alternative?
Besides, we have to stop the spam. Even the best client will not attract users if there is so much spam on the network.
Now that we are in the world of AI agents - why would we build a better Signal ? .. wouldn't I ask my AI agent to send a message to you or post it on some social ( or socials of my choice) ?
If that is true , user doesn't care if my message is being sent by signal or whatsapp or OxChat .. . This is a huge opportunity for nostr cuz ID is local .. agent doesn't need KYC with Meta ! .. just a LOUD Thinker ..
I mean we still need a pipe ( client) and a protocol .. but from user standpoint , it is simply a new interface ..
Nah, you are right.
Definitely, disruptions and paradigm shifts.
And frankly .. I can do without the global feed .. let AI figure out what is most suitable for me and give me notes to read to read in a "discover" tab - just like Perplexity is doing with news .. I know it is still a copy ..but a different take on social paradigm .. the current interface was discovered by Twitter almost 20 years back !
Yes! 💯
YES. Stop settling for good. The goal is to be the best. The hardest. BITCOIN.
Vitor Pamplona
Amethyst must be better than X. Olas must be better than Instagram. ChaChi must be better than Discord. Flotilla must be better than Slack. 0xChat must be better than WhatsApp. Habla must be better than Medium. HiveTalk must be better than Zoom. Fountain must be better than Spotify. ZapStream must be better than Twitch. ZapStore must be better than the PlayStore. Coop must be better than Telegram.
Otherwise, these projects are already dead.
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Amethyst is a Rising Beast, Twitter is a Fallen Angel.
Amethyst still needs to be forged in the fire but generally speaking it is improving as a client.
Even within this year, and last few updates I've noticed the major, and drastic improvements.
Hope to see more growth 😃.
This is the right mindset for development and quality goals.
However, I don’t think it’s absolutely true long term. ONE of them probably needs to be better, then the identity portability killer feature kicks in and benefits all other apps… maybe leading to funding and development so they all get pulled up to the same state.
OR someone creates one viral app/client that is *nothing like any of the current mainstream leaders* and pulls a bunch of users in for everyone, which starts the same waterfall.
And if anyone’s being pedantic, maybe he already includes identity portability in the ranking. I assumed it was a standalone vs standalone statement.
I can move Amethyst at any time. Just give me the tools and I will do it. I already added
https://gitworkshop.dev, but no one is sending PRs or issues from there.
Bvtt Fvck Island?
Nostr is not dead … therefore every project on Nostr is not dead yet.
With enough "inferior" but interoperable apps on the fringes we will slowly but surely tip the scales.
While I appreciate the sentiment, the one thing that "must" happen is survival.
A lot of people thought that ICQ is better than email. Email is still around, ICQ not so much.
True for every aspect of reality.
It was a joke 🤣
There was a video of a nostr presentation the other day that I don't feel like digging up, where a point made is that you're not going to compete with Instagram by being Instagram. It's network effects that must be overcome, not UI supremacy. The UX for most of those apps sucks. Do you want a better UX? Sure, but that's not what is going to beat them. They're dead if and only if people can't reach a wide range of other people using them.
The other side of the statement that you don't compete with them on their own playing field is, you have to create something novel. Some new way of doing something. Some irresistible change in a paradigm that people would rather use nostr than silos. There's a lot there we have going for us. The big ones are censorship resistance and cross compatibility.
One thing I love about nostr, it is easier for me to create a "blog", soap box, online presence than building and hosting a website, and it is easier than even setting up a twitter or Facebook account. I can just generate a key, pick a few relays and start saying things. I can keep track of my "blog" either having a separate key for that, or pinning those sort of canonical posts. The only thing that's harder I guess is securing and keeping track of keys, but no harder than securing and keeping track of secure passwords, so the only reason it's harder is because people aren't using secure passwords, which means as someone who already does that, it's not harder at all.
Better is good, but it's not always the case that what is technically, objectively better software wins. Social platforms win or lose by the network effect: where the people are.
Sometimes people join platforms because they are "better", but sometimes it's just timing and what was available to fill a specific need at a specific moment in time. All of the different projects on Nostr set us up to be prepared to fill needs where they arise, and that matters for the moment when lightning (ha) strikes.
That being said, support your local devs 💜
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They can only be better if we use them and make them better and form them how we want 💗
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Zap me if you think any of these platforms can keep up with me. I’ll be waiting. ⚡💋
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I think it is more like "people must better than centralized mass formation media" otherwise humanity is dead.
Nostr is already better and will be home for educated life forms.
Companies and individuals cannot be compared in the same way, especially when they are creating similar products. Large companies have massive resources, established user bases, and years of experience, while individuals or small teams often bring innovation, agility, and fresh ideas. Success isn’t just about being "better"—it's about differentiation, community building, and persistence. Even if a project doesn’t surpass a giant in the industry, that doesn’t mean it’s dead.
It's not one-dimensional. We'll have the better frens on all these tools cause we curate them independently from the tools. And often, as a consumer our tools are already better. None of them requires you to login to see content, yet corporate tools would force you to login just to see a video or post.
Vitor Pamplona
Amethyst must be better than X. Olas must be better than Instagram. ChaChi must be better than Discord. Flotilla must be better than Slack. 0xChat must be better than WhatsApp. Habla must be better than Medium. HiveTalk must be better than Zoom. Fountain must be better than Spotify. ZapStream must be better than Twitch. ZapStore must be better than the PlayStore. Coop must be better than Telegram.
Otherwise, these projects are already dead.
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One thing I think that needs to be improved is that when you access Amethyst it loads new notes and starts to move all the timeline making impossible to left the app thinking "ok, I'll read later from here" because from here disapears as soon as one goes in again. The same if you click one note to read comments, when you return all is gone and refreshed. At least this is a serious problem for me on the global tab. I would prefer the notes to load but nothing moved, and I can them scroll at my own rythm and read what I want without rush.
As long as they are trending towards better. Have to start somewhere. I find most of these apps to be pretty solid.
Need a spaces alternative in amethist asap
Spaces? like on Twitter?
I think reinventing stuff may be the wrong direction sometimes. With zaps, or just modern fintech in general, there are totally new experiences that are afforded that couldn’t be captured by older web experiences.
Still can't natively upload video, photos default to opening the native camera app, vs giving the user the choice. No ai chat. If the shops were still here that'd be cool
It does have extra built in privacy.
Kinda senseless if we are just a copy catting functionalities. Without a good business model, relaying in faithful contributions leads somewhere nowhere.
You don't like the in-app camera?
Shops? Marketplace is still there...
1. Together nostr apps are stronger than one by one. It's part of the value prop of nostr. But I get the idea. Just be better, do better because people care about the end product. Which makes me think:
2. Which people? Better for who? I really don't think e.g. that Signal wants to replace Whatsapp because most of the people there don't care about Signal's values.
It would be a big mistake to try focusing on it as a matter of fact. In a counterintuitive way, the only thing that works is when you compete by mostly ignoring competition and just doing your thing. Solving a real problem some people you care about have. And ship it, and do it well.
- Who's it for? What problem does it solve? I try to answer these questions and do my best.
"Just be better" doesn't help us understand any of these dynamics. I would be interested to hear more nuanced explanations because I heard very good takes from you on various pods.
@Vitor Pamplona, #Amethyst has nothing to worry about because you are concerned about your app.
I don't use most other #Nostr apps, but the ones I use have devs that care. Not all of the Nostr apps do, sadly. Probably a variety of reasons: time, family, money, too many projects on the go...
#X and other corporate garbage are shite because corporations only care about the bottom line. Quality and people are both nuisances for cretins like #ElonMusk, #Zuckerberg, and many others bottom feeding vampires.
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You can't use the Google camera? Where is marketplace, maybe I'm high
Yep
I want to see my friends who are talking when i open amethist
I don't know... do other apps use Google's camera? I assume I need to check if the native app of each phone is available and figure out which API they code in order to integrate it :(
Holy shit it must have moved like 6 months ago, I had no idea, I thought it just got cut.
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