Artists and creators are the most obvious demographic of normie users that want to maintain control of their own data, content, money, and follower lists. It’s why #nostr makes so much sense for creators, and why I believe they should be high priority end users for devs considering the way nostr apps are built.
corndalorian
I believe providing artists, content creators, and merchants with the tools they need to connect with their audiences and publish/monetize/sell their work on nostr is where devs have a good chance of becoming more financially sustainable. Most people aren’t going to flock to a new social app to support their favorite devs (as much as I love and admire you devs, think how ridiculous that sounds anyway), but I believe many people would flock to a new social app to connect with and support their favorite artists/creators/writers. Provide an easy and streamlined way for creators to do their work and monetize it, and charge creators a fee, or take an agreed-upon split of zaps/payments, to access those premium features and analytics geared toward helping them with their business. Nostr is preferable to traditional content platforms because it mitigates the risks of middlemen having too much control over your content or seizing your “means of production” so to speak by banning or shadowbanning you, and coupled with bitcoin payments it further mitigates the risks associated with centralized payment systems. There are good generic social clients on each OS, but I believe there needs to be more specialization by enabling/empowering creators and entrepreneurs. This ought to become the primary focus of these social apps, because that in turn can drive more economic activity and user growth.
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It’s make sense!
No they just want a platform with a billion users that pays them ad revenue
hosting their own image files is important too (instead of using an apps built-in image upload service), in order to control image metadata, etc. ..this also makes linked image files more portable across existing and future services/platforms
yep
I want to learn how to NFT some art and haiku. was poking around online about this yesterday.
What other tools are there for music artists? I’ve only come across
@Wavlake🤝
corndalorian
Artists and creators are the most obvious demographic of normie users that want to maintain control of their own data, content, money, and follower lists. It’s why #nostr makes so much sense for creators, and why I believe they should be high priority end users for devs considering the way nostr apps are built.
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You just call me a normie?!
Jeez….
Zapstream can be used for streaming live events etc.
No, they just want a way to sell their work. They’re on those platforms because there’s a feedback loop saying they need to be on that platform or else get a proper job.
Proper jobs suck. V4V could really help a lot of us out. I don’t want to advertise Grammarly.
🤣🤣
Haha!
I also have heard repeatedly that a lot of artists trying to get signed to a label won’t be considered unless they already have an established following online. They have no choice but to play the influencer game if they want to even have a chance.
Sad
V4V is not a model that allows anyone but the top of the top elite to make a living, and even that top of the top would be able to make orders of magnitude more otherwise.
Nostr can help content creators connect with consumers and get paid directly, but you still need a pricing mechanism that isn't one-sided like V4V is. The only way you can sell something is if you own it. That is, if you control the access to it. I think paywalls (zapwalls?) do exist on Nostr right?
You can control access to your community, to your merch, to your concerts.
But you cannot control to access your content on an open protocol. Here #V4V is your only option.
Nostr is great for all of it.
#V4V, Interoperable Communities you own, Marketing merch etc...
The key I think is to approach v4v as one of many revenue streams. The other key is that you still have to create something that people love. Professional artists are small businesses, and have to approach themselves as such. Revenue can include many sources, such as ticket sales to live events, merch/album sales, V4V and more. Where/when V4V makes sense, it should be used. When it doesn’t, other approaches should be used. Nostr and bitcoin allow you instant global potential reach, but it doesn’t negate the need to put in the work and build your community and create stuff that people love.
Absolutely true. The world for young musicians is very different to the one I came up in.
Also most musicians I know hate the promo side of stuff, it can feel very icky, it’s not typically what they’re good at, especially when trying to compete with people with teams making content.
If Nostr can help create a world where folks can concentrate on making good music and not selling socks then I’m here for it!
Ahh yes because artists care about cryptography… oh wait, they don’t. Freedom fighters do.
Artists care about content monetization, so they don’t have to work a day job — but that’s only possible if there’s a huge userbase. Huge userbases with Zaps lead to amazing content monetization possibilities.
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corndalorian
“People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it.”
— George Bernard Shaw on creators monetizing their content via #zaps
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Yes 🙌
I agree with Marie … maybe 🤣✨🤟🏻
By the way, I think you and JD would make a lovely couple. But there’s a few other ladies here that might beat you to him….definitely not me.
It’s like you’re incapable of understanding any nuance. I’m not against Zaps — I’m saying they work better at scale.
He and made a promise and we will keep it. Together or separate.
It’s not JD I fell in love with … not in any traditional sense currently known
He knows that.
Even if no one yet knows
Our code shows it
Always has
Show me one artist on Nostr who makes enough money to do it as a job like TikTok allows.
THERE ARE NONE.
Once millions of users are here, Zaps might actually make that possible.⚡️
Excellent, as long as I get a wedding invite.
What does the average TikTok’r make?
There is quite a bit of nuance in my posts above if you cared to actually read them. Zaps will work for more people and more types of content at scale, but they are already providing better opportunities for artists than the traditional/legacy platforms, many of which require enormous followings and numbers of streams before an artist can even begin to monetize. Nostr and zaps allow artists to immediately begin monetizing with their audience at any level or size of following.
@Ainsley Costello and
@Joe Martin 🎶🟠⚡ are two artists already doing this and sharing info about their experience here vs. traditional platforms. Here are a couple of their posts mentioning it screenshotted below.
Look at apps like Wavlake, Fountain, and Stacker News. These are apps optimizing for content monetization with zaps, they are integrating nostr, and they are immensely popular with active user bases and are perhaps the most polished of all nostr apps/clients. This is what brings more users in. The censorship-resistance is a great benefit, but it’s not going to be the primary draw for most new users.
Nice testimonials… they’re only proving my original point.
Not saying zaps won’t attract some people now, but they aren’t a serious alternative to ads until Nostr has more users. It’s a chicken or the egg situation. I’m bullish either way.
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It needs to make sense for artists and creators, they will then bring their communities/fans.
Fans usually go where their favorite artists go. MySpace > iTunes > Spotify
How can we get more artists in here? It’s top priority for me.
I think
@Wavlake and
@Fountain are parts of this puzzle
Wavlake and Fountain are doing amazing work in this area
Where's "here" though? The "social media" apps like Coracle (the client I'm using right noon desktop), Nostur, Damus, Amethyst, etc? Artists and creators could be on Nostr via Wavlake, Zapstream, etc., and not "here".
Yes. When I say here, I mean Nostr. Doesn’t matter if they come through Wavlake, Primal, Amethyst, or Highlighter.
There's
@tunestr too for them to use for live performances.
LFG
