Oh ye of little faith.

Bitcoin is a shitcoin. Monero is inferior to Zcash technologically (currently, and just barely even with FCMP++) and overran by Anti-Semites. Zcash has a centralized pool, and is coded by a bunch of gov loving simps. Zclassic has no traction. Idk Goldbacks seems like the only thing that I can confidently endorse at the current moment. I still use all the other currencies, and I will buy them but I can't in full faith, and confidence endorse any of them blatantly. Everything else is kind of redundant, I'm sure there's good projects out there but finding them is difficult right now. But basically right now is a terrible time for crypto, stocks, bonds, etc. Gold seems like the only reasonable, and logical move right now.

You think finding an even more obscure coin is gonna be better? Bitcoin is it. Not because of tech but narrative, trust, shelling point and network effect.

You think finding an even more obscure coin is gonna be better? Bitcoin is it. Not because of tech but narrative, trust, shelling point and network effect

Just look at alts priced in sats.

Theirs always gonna be better tech. Are we just gonna keep hoping networks because of tech? No. Monero works. People dont have privacy problems using monero. P.S. Its not the monero community its all free speach platforms and spaces

It works until it doesn't. The FCMP++ update will make monero's obfuscation capabilities much better, the community right now is radioactively toxic in an unbearable way, it wasn't this way 2 to 4 years ago. But I do agree that's how things tend to gravitate in uncensored places. I'll still be swapping fiat for it but it's hard to publicly endorse it right now. A lot of things are uncertain right now, I just feel that goldbacks bring that certainy into focus moreso than anything else does at the moment.

Did something happen in the monero space ?

Have you seen Monero Twitter recently dude? Like every other post is blaming The Jews for everything, and it's annoying, and frankly I think it makes us look bad. I get that groypers, and the daily shoah gravitated to monero becuase it's one of the only currencies that let them transact but it's so unbearable how bad the community is. All the normal people in the community have stopped posting, been driven out, Censored, or accused to be Feds. I see it as a problem personally.

*Daily Stormer, not Daily Shoah to clarify.

it doesn't matter really, the system will continue oppressing even the haters of monero will hop in the wagon, it's just going to show how diversified monero communties can be, also twitter monero started being 4chan when 4chan got taken down by that soyjack IB so naturally the same propaganda will spread, also; it seems like the whole world is becoming aware of the jewish question so naturally even our community will see that transition. tbh elite jews are the ones trying to oppress our freedoms

I disagree, I think it has just been a natural recipe for disaster between Communist undermining of our system, and Corporate interests. The Frankfurt School, and The Federal Reserve have been two of the most destructive things to our country. I think there have been both Secular Progressive Jews, and Gentiles who have done things that have ruined this country. As far as people's individual lives the zip code you live in, the choices you makes, the social class you started in, the environment you're in, the people you associate with, and genetics play a bigger role to your personal well-being than anything else. I get right now it's difficult for most people but I don't think Jews are to blame, I've been down that rabbit hole, and then I left it because it becomes a sort of escapism, or moral blame shifting, let's say Jews did EVERYTHING, made you gay, and autistic, turned your gf into a slut for blackmen, & opened your borders etc. You still have the individual agency to control things you have power over to make your corner of the world slightly better. Blaming Jews is a lot like Blacks Blaming Whites. Asians do well despite also being "Oppressed by Da Joos". And yes before you say it, I do get paid one gorillion shemekels by Daddy Epstein, The IDF, Bibi Netanyahu, and Zionist Cuckash (Z-cash) to defend The Jews on the internet.

I agree that just blaming jews does not solve issues. You need to understand solving those issues is a proccess that takes years of deprograming and growing certain emotions that eventually result in a revolution, is it the jews? is it the goyims? is it the communists? it does not matter since how the system functions eleminates any chance of being responsible of anything to a point where no one can be named, but since elites (jews? goyims?) happen to be in the "decision" making rules they will take the bite of such emotions that have been growing. and because the elite was it jewish or was it anything else must work for the survival of it's position by defending the system aka increasenly removing our freedoms, it deserves the end result of this revolution. The frensh revolution had stages, and it started by naming the elites. I agree that blaming while not fixing your life is very stupid, you must always have hope and must work on fixing your life, but there are certain stories where the system does not let the individual do so, does the blaming become valid then? honestly that does not matter, what matters is that the humans be free from any oppressing entity was it run by jews or blacks or whites

You know that Feds are always impersonating people to make whole groups look bad. Monero users are in it because they know that money should be the most neutral tool. Everything else should be judged in front of court.

I don't see the same degree of toxicity. I see just the full spectrum of opinions. Some of them which matter. And some of them should just be filtered and ignored. Free speech, doesn't mean truth.

Zcash has a devtax It has a company funded by US and Israel intelligence community. It doesn't get more easy for the state to influence the code Zooko stated he believes they can it make compliant. So privacy for plebs from other plebs, but no privacy for "criminals" vs the state It started with a trusted setup IP's are not protected even for z tx -> can be fixed 90% of all tx are still unshielded Supply is controlled by big funds like DCG Zashi has privacy shortcomings (protocol vs wallet privacy) -> can be fixed It's still listed in CEX which makes it easy to pump and dump (naked short) It scales worse than Monero Zcash has 0 real world adoption outside of speculation by big funds Zcash has some heavy hitters (influencers) close to intelligence community that only ever talk about Zcash over Monero like Snowden or Naval Zcash has a spam problem It has not contributed one bit to P2P markets or adoption Zcash has the same supply curve as BTC lacking tail emission for long term security It plans to move to PoS, which hands even more control to the handlers and arguable doesn't make it good money Just until last week one pool ram 75% of all hashes until the realised that it isn't the best marketing especially if criticng Monero for their 38% miner selfish mining attack, sold as as 51% attack. Since then they split between two pools to make hash centralisation less obvious. This list is largely incomplete. I am not interested in a company run project over grassroots Monero. On the pro side It has contributed a good amount to research It has good privacy for those who know how to use it It has benefited other projects like Ethereum and Monero Competition is good I would definitely use Zcash over Bitcoin. I would use it to cash out where Monero is not available if I ever would need to go back to fiat (unlikely).

I don't look at twitter anymore

Who the fuck cares about Twitter? Just because a bunch of autistic people on Twitter talk about Monero and have a weird obsession with Jews, Monero is mostly overrun by right wing extremists? I can't claim to know most or even a huge part of the Monero community, but pretty much everyone I've met so far would not count towards this group.

I was actually one of the devs that was involved in zcash classic (i think we called it?) that removed the dev tax. I don’t think it went anywhere though. That was my only short dev interaction with shitcoinery. i quickly realized it was a waste of time.

So far, it doesn't have a lot of momentum but it has an ios, and android app which it didn't have like 2 years ago. It's an interesting project, and I really hope that it, or something like it goes somewhere.

'Monero is worse than Zcash' has to be one of your worst takes bruv 😂

From a technology perspective zk-snarks is more private than RingCT is. I'm not saying Z-cash is better, I am saying zk-SNARKS are better than RingCT. FCMP++ would make their privacy at similar levels then Monero would be the obvious winner without a doubt. But right now, their tradeoffs, and privacy benefits are similar. I personally use Bitcoin, Monero, and Z-cash, as well as other payment types when I have to. I'm a multi-coiner but I prefer, Bitcoin, Monero, and Z-cash the most out of the three, as I see they have the most plausible real world utility currently.

I would like to use it in the form of the zside drivechain denominated in BTC

there’s a lot of anti-semites in the world, and the ADL and SPLC have published a lot of literature about the explosive growth environment of anti-semitism. If something is serving a large amount of utility for anti-semites, it is a strong buy signal, because more and more people are becoming anti-semites every day.

Didn't know that. Thanks for mentioning and contributing on the good side even if shitcoinery.

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We need zk-SNARKS on BTC drivechain

Theoretically RingCT can be just as good as shielded Zcash in terms of anonymity set per transaction. It's just not practical to do though.

Furthermore, given the Semitic proclivity towards financial censorship, the sign that a currency is “overrun by anti-Semites” is proof positive that it is immune to financial censorship. Anti-Semites are a very small minority of Monero transactions, I’d wager. But the fact that they are visibly using Monero is a sign that Monero is fungible and other currencies are not, proving Monero’s actual technical superiority and not your on-paper claims of Zcash. Zcash is not fungible or usable. The exchanges that allow Zcash but deny Monero will remove you immediately if you use shielded transactions — meaning Zcash only has its stated trade value until you actually use it for its stated utility, then it becomes illiquid.

Sure Zks are cool but they depend heavily on the shielded transaction pool, you have such a tiny anonimity compared to Monero's. Zks are probably the only cool stuff that came out of Zcash, and it got ruined by everything around it in Zcash.

You mean having a massive ring size? You don't need that to have a better anonimity set than the one you get on Zcash, since a majority of tx there are unshielded. Even with a ringsize of 2 on Monero you already have better anonimity set than on Zcash...

Yea by having massive ring sizes I think the anonymity set for Monero is already vastly larger than Zcash when it comes to receiver privacy because of one-time stealth addresses, but that isn't true for Monero senders (but you're right when it comes to t->t, z->t, t->z which is the vast majority of transactions ) All this debating will be pretty irrelevant though when FCMP comes to mainnet

zk-snarks ≥ FCMP++ > RingCT ≥ Lightning

Why the first one?

Theoretically, zk-snarks offers more privacy but in practice FCMP++ is more likely to achieve maximum privacy generally speaking. So I was slightly inaccurate.

You're zefecing from the monero bros ,l😢

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What makes zk-snarks have potentially slightly more privacy than FCMP? I've heard this before but never heard the details

This just misses the point... It's not about comparing protocols it's about everything around it. Even with the best protocol you aren't really anonymous if it's only you using it (wink wink Zcash). Really lacks nuance.

I don't see why that would be the case, might be wrong though...

Yea z->z transaction volume is very low but it is more private than on monero. Fcmp will end the debate I agree.