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not sure bitcoin needs it, but these things are nice to have

Because Bitcoin lacks privacy, it also lacks fungibility, making it susceptible to state coercion through KYC, the Travel Rule, and AML rules.

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Bitcoin with all of these already exists, it's called #Monero

Without this Bitcoin is worth nothing.

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the market disagrees

Unfortunately there is no cap on Monero inflation, isn't it? Monero also lacks of network effect Bitcoin has.

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I agree

Monero has a steeper learning curve than bitcoin and is not as user friendly

Agreed. Let’s hope we see more adoption next year. Less focus on price and more as a payment system.

I would argue it actually is the other way around. Or maybe the learning curves a different for each. Monero has more layers to it and it's solutions are a bit more advanced than Bitcoin's. Like the coin cap for example. For Bitcoin we have about 21 million in the year 2140. Pretty straightforward. Monero had a emission curve with a tail emission following after that. So it seems more complex, but the outcome is quite similar, but it's more clever. Bitcoin has a long term security budget problem, while Monero has that part secured, but the tradeoff is a asymptotically reducing inflation rate that's approaching 0%, but never reaches actual 0% inflation rate as Bitcoin does in the year 2140. Currently the inflation rates are basically the same for both, but in the year 2140 BTC's will be 0%, while XMR's will be at ~0.43% per year. So there is so to say more to learn about Monero (if you want to). But then again you don't need any knowledge really. You can set up your grandma with Cake Wallet, tell her to never ever show/tell anyone her seed phrase and you can be sure she won't get into problems because of tainted coins or some guy mugging her, because he could trace back a transaction of her to find out how rich she is. If you want to do the same with Bitcoin, you either have to lure her into custodial services (and betray the original vision of it) or need to educate her about tainted coins, setting up a home server so she can run her LN node etc etc. So I challenge you: show me a user-friendly setup with Bitcoin, that keeps your information about how much you own private, that offers low TX fees, and also is fully open source and non-custodial. All of that can be done with a simple install of Cake Wallet for Monero (and you get an easy off ramp though gift cards integrated into the app as well, were you only need to give them an email address).

Yes, Monero has no hard so for the supply as Bitcoin. It had an emission curve with a tail emission following after that. But why isn't that a problem and more of a feature? Let me explain: Bitcoin has a long term security budget problem, while Monero has that part secured (thanks to the fixed block reward of 0.6 XMR), but the tradeoff is a asymptotically reducing inflation rate that's approaching 0%, but never reaches actual 0% inflation rate as Bitcoin does in the year 2140. Currently the inflation rates are basically the same for both (BTC 0.82% vs XMR 0.85%), but in the year 2140 BTC's will be 0%, while XMR's will be at ~0.43% per year. And the Austrian school of economics doesn't say, the supply of a currency has to be completely fixed. About the network effect: I tend to agree that Bitcoin's network effect is larger currently, but then again what exactly do you mean by that? Because BTC was first used on the darknet markets. That is basically what made it what it is today. XMR is the only currency that was able to displace BTC there. And basically every business that accepts BTC and XMR, that publishes it's usage statistics, shows that Monero rivals Bitcoin's use, even though Bitcoin's network effect is much, much greater. As an example: nostr:nevent1qqsqe0mqq4axepeqge9qe6xva7k9cswxq5vp9u9pndrcz906a50y47gppamhxue69uhkummnw3ezumt0d5pzpl2t3sdefvcr336zuq452f98st99gkhnexj3d0laat0x5clq6yqlqvzqqqqqqyjn0yta https://nano-gpt.com/blog/november-2025-payment-stats https://xcancel.com/alexis_roussel/status/1988697421581594928 https://xcancel.com/OrangeFren/status/1995450935175197000 https://xcancel.com/shopinbit/status/1978715781744472132

Exactly. Also we need to research and to learn to protect against QC. I know it is a hard topic, but we need to face it.

Bitcoin is about the same rate measured in gold compared to 2017.

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Bitcoin does not 'need' anything. The totalitarian surveillance state just needs to grow and become more totalitarian. Then people will migrate by themselves.

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Fortunately Monero has a very decreasing % tail emission which ensures nearly free transactions in perpetuity instead of Bitcoins ever worsening fee market. Monero's network effect is stronger on p2p markets like on the Darknet and Retoswap and Bisq. It does higher volume than Bitcoin on sites like Nano-GPT and similar numbers on CoinCards despite its Bitcoin focus.

Yeah you're right and it's a major problem for Bitcoin. The whole value proposition is a p2p digital means of exchange that is decentralized and permissionless. All of those aspects are under attack and are decreasing drastically in favor of the state approved custodial store of value use case. As custodial store of value, Bitcoin has major counterparty risk to both the custodian and the regulatory environment. It places its "value" completely at the whim of speculative narrative, price manipulation, and regulation. Just as I find fiat extremely risky long term, I'm quickly finding Bitcoin is gaining those similar risks.

Download cake wallet, then the UX is identical to Bitcoin. You write down your seed then you recieve to your address and send to others addresses. You don't even need to worry about UTXO management you just send and recieve.

i value freedom of choice highly. that means everyone should use bitcoin the way they think is right for them. if you think it is too risky, you don't have to use it. you can point out why it is better to use it privately, p2p and so on, but everyone has to decide for themself. humans are in general lazy and prefer the easy way, which often isn't the better way

Problem is that as the state tightens it's grip on nonKYC p2p usage it will bifurcate the UTXO pool creating more "tainted" coins that people can't use on exchanges. We see this already with whirlpool coinjoins, you can't sell them on exchanges without shotgun KYC or at all sometimes. That also means any merchant who is using a crypto to fiat payment processor won't accept them without shotgun KYC. It's clear with the Samurai wallet prosecution that they're coming for all self-custodial, private Bitcoin usage. Lightning alleviates this a lot but has terrible reliability and UX if setting up in a private self custodial manner. So much so that almost everyone uses it custodially which only creates problems as I've shown before. Your holdings are in danger, if the regulatory environment changes such that your non-KYC stack cannot be sold in exchanges at all, even with good accounting and shotgun KYC, you'll be left with a bag with no buyer. You could sell for cash on Bisq or trade for Monero on Retoswap, but it's not unlikely that p2p liquidity will dry up at that point since people trade Monero for Bitcoin mainly to cash out large amounts of Bitcoin on exchanges.

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Whoever you're renting from has complete control whether or not you can pay your rent in Bitcoin. I brought up Bisq and Retoswap you've completely ignored that counterargument.

the landlord has always complete control on what money he accepts for payment. if i need fiat i just exchange with a friend / use vexl sorry i don't understand your counterargument, i don't know one person that uses any other cryptocurrency than bitcoin in real life. please explain

But monero isn't the best money in the world and money is a winner take all game.

xmrbazaar.com + darknet markets for real world usage. Bisq is the Bitcoin only predecessor to vexl. You presented vexl as a counterargument but I already brought up Bisq which serves the same purpose.

vexl connects friends or friends of friends to exchange bitcoin for cash or the other way around in the real world. your argument is that p2p liquidity will dry up because people use monero? if not, tell me your argument again, i can't follow

No, the argument is that p2p Bitcoin liquidity will dry up if nonKYC usage is attacked by regulation similar to how OFAC sanctions apply to coinjoins now. I propose that if the current regulatory development continues, all non-KYC usage will be under attack. This is why Monero is delisted from most exchanges while ZCash and Litecoin are on most exchanges. The transparent chain allows separation of "tainted" funds and "clean" funds. Monero has no such ability to be distinguished between thus its immune from this fate. Current evidence of this is that some exchanges like Binance will not accept ZCash UTXOs that have ever touched the shielded pool. Currently no central exchanges accept Bitcoin UTXOs linked to OFAC sanctioned addresses. If you coinjoin with one of these your non-KYC coin is now "tainted" and thus has less value due to its lower liquidity. Does this argument follow? I'm stretching the limit of my ability to convince in this public setting. I'd love to discuss further if you reach out to me https://daedalus.website/contact.html

remove all exchanges right now. i know people who need bitcoin and i exchange with them for fiat. how will that usage be under attack? i don't use any of your contact methods. i use email and signal

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I agree... Lightning works well for me, for more privacy now, Fedimints and Liquid are new things I am exploring. Openess on chain, and L2-3 solutions for scaling and privacy appear to be the way forward. Finally seeing folks in my small town starting to explore Bitcoin, but never met a known Monero bro, even when I lived in a city of 1.6 million. Have never seen a need for it or a use case that bitcoin doean't cover better or someone(s) in bitcoin space are working to cover. 😊

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Yeah I never met a monero bro IRL either. Liquid looks promising but time will tell how that plays out. Another problem with monero is that it doesn’t scale. There are so many flaws but they don’t care to take that into consideration.

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