Question: Do people actually want me to keep working on #Nostr apps here or should I just quit?
Am wondering if I'm not welcome.
#asknostr
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Dude. We need all the builders we can get. It doesn't matter what you're building, but as long as you're building.
We've won a large battle, but we have many more to go.
Please stay, and build. 🙏
No way!!! Zapping my support for you 🤝
What do you want? That is what matters.
What happened? I think you are doing great work on the space and I'll be sad if you stop. I don't know you much but is evident that you have a lovely personality, big L for nostr if you quit.
Criticism != hostility. Keep going, hivetalk is getting better! I even used it with a non-nostr person recently.
Fuck those nerds u are much cooler, don't let other's opinions affect u.
Fuck em
STAY!
We love you here. You're invaluable.
Haters gonna hate.
totally underserved. keep building.
Please stay. There is a single person behind nostrapps and he has no clue what we need if he's pulling hivetalk and cornychat off.
And don't think we didn't all notice what was still there...
She had produced hivetalk.org. it was listed there as of last month. Now it's gone, without real reason.
Or come to cornychat or hivetalk and share with the class.
Keep working on #nostr
Please keep it up!
Always feels like theres some petty bullshit in the dev space
Sorry but your meme is not a Nostr client.
Nostr.band is not a Nostr client
Npub.pro is also not really a Nostr client (CMS that pulls from Nostr)
Nos2x is a Nostr signing extension not a client
Amber is a remote signer not a client
Zapplepay is an external service
Nostrame is not either
My app is also not there even though I asked karnage a few times, and got no answer, there are definitely outsider devs on Nostr, that are not part of the cool kids, idgaf anymore, I will just keep doing my things.
my dear fren... y u no add Anonostr.com 😭
You left Yondar in the list ffs... it has zero users and even less development
I'm a simple pleb and use both hivetalk and cornychat regularly, signed in with my nostr npub and can post live notes FROM cornychat. Can you explain to someone that doesn't "dev" how that makes it NOT a nostr client?
Seems we have somewhat a wonky line at best.
People should make their own Nostr apps list. Let there be dozens. And then a Nostr apps list aggregator that is a list of Nostr app lists, that, since it uses the list kind, gets listed on the lists. List-ception is how we win.
fiatjaf is (not) the CEO of nostr.
GFY
Seriously, wtf is nostrapps.com? We host 80% of nostr’s media, have an integrated ‘share direct to nostr’ feature, nip5,nip7,nip96,nip98, user profiles, have the fucking nostr name in our domain, and are not on any of these lists, don’t get any podcasts nobody has even heard of us 🤣
Fuck all those lists, special groups, and people’s opinions, just keep building.
Cornychat is legendary, I’ve heard of hivetalk and looking into it tomorrow.
Please let us know how we can help with any of your projects!! 🤙
Took the words out of my mouth
✅💯
fwiw
i have a subscription with yall
which makes this a MUCH more pleasant experience
and I've never heard of nostrapps
or wtf it is
Keep working, boss!
I use 3 Nostr apps regularly. Amethyst, Corny Chat, and Hivetalk. But only one of those is a Nostr app? I don't see the logic there at all.
Amethyst is not a real app because it censors users with social credit score
@fiatjaf says it's an app so GFY.
ahhh the group trying to centralize nostr
i hope you fail miserably
Based. 🔥🌸
None of these apps qualify as Nostr "clients" to me. I am using this term with a (more or less) strict meaning, not to say they are bad or somehow not "legit". Not all things have to be Nostr clients, in fact most apps in the world should definitely not be Nostr clients. And at the same time most apps in the world would benefit from Nostr logins or some other form of light Nostr integration, which seems to be the case of all these apps that were "kicked" (well, relaytools is different, it is a relay provider service, so not really a customer-facing "app" in any sense).
I have used Hivetalk many times and I think it is very good and I'm glad it exists. Same for Relaytools. I'm also glad that Wavlake has whatever the Nostr integration they have (I've not used it myself).
nostrapps.com is not a list of "good apps", it's a list of "good Nostr clients", the criteria for that is not super well-defined, but basically the app has to strive for interoperability with other apps, it has to have a reasonable spec -- preferably a NIP -- that allows others to build independent apps that will interface (view, create, interact) with those core elements, using Nostr relays and events for coordination.
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None of these apps qualify as Nostr "clients" to me. I am using this term with a (more or less) strict meaning, not to say they are bad or somehow not "legit". Not all things have to be Nostr clients, in fact most apps in the world should definitely not be Nostr clients. And at the same time most apps in the world would benefit from Nostr logins or some other form of light Nostr integration, which seems to be the case of all these apps that were "kicked" (well, relaytools is different, it is a relay provider service, so not really a customer-facing "app" in any sense).
I have used Hivetalk many times and I think it is very good and I'm glad it exists. Same for Relaytools. I'm also glad that Wavlake has whatever the Nostr integration they have (I've not used it myself).
nostrapps.com is not a list of "good apps", it's a list of "good Nostr clients", the criteria for that is not super well-defined, but basically the app has to strive for interoperability with other apps, it has to have a reasonable spec -- preferably a NIP -- that allows others to build independent apps that will interface (view, create, interact) with those core elements, using Nostr relays and events for coordination.
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no, you're notba "client"
you devs all have a god complex
None of these apps qualify as Nostr "clients" to me. I am using this term with a (more or less) strict meaning, not to say they are bad or somehow not "legit". Not all things have to be Nostr clients, in fact most apps in the world should definitely not be Nostr clients. And at the same time most apps in the world would benefit from Nostr logins or some other form of light Nostr integration, which seems to be the case of all these apps that were "kicked" (well, relaytools is different, it is a relay provider service, so not really a customer-facing "app" in any sense).
I have used Hivetalk many times and I think it is very good and I'm glad it exists. Same for Relaytools. I'm also glad that Wavlake has whatever the Nostr integration they have (I've not used it myself).
nostrapps.com is not a list of "good apps", it's a list of "good Nostr clients", the criteria for that is not super well-defined, but basically the app has to strive for interoperability with other apps, it has to have a reasonable spec -- preferably a NIP -- that allows others to build independent apps that will interface (view, create, interact) with those core elements, using Nostr relays and events for coordination.
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fucking stupid
None of these apps qualify as Nostr "clients" to me. I am using this term with a (more or less) strict meaning, not to say they are bad or somehow not "legit". Not all things have to be Nostr clients, in fact most apps in the world should definitely not be Nostr clients. And at the same time most apps in the world would benefit from Nostr logins or some other form of light Nostr integration, which seems to be the case of all these apps that were "kicked" (well, relaytools is different, it is a relay provider service, so not really a customer-facing "app" in any sense).
I have used Hivetalk many times and I think it is very good and I'm glad it exists. Same for Relaytools. I'm also glad that Wavlake has whatever the Nostr integration they have (I've not used it myself).
nostrapps.com is not a list of "good apps", it's a list of "good Nostr clients", the criteria for that is not super well-defined, but basically the app has to strive for interoperability with other apps, it has to have a reasonable spec -- preferably a NIP -- that allows others to build independent apps that will interface (view, create, interact) with those core elements, using Nostr relays and events for coordination.
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He got you there, Sleepy 😂
I'm just gonna keep fucking building till there is no one left or life gets in the way somehow.
idk bout alldat he changes his mind on the daily about what’s a “Nostr app” you never know tomorrow he might change his mind n it could be the best Nostr app on that list
He can run his site how he likes. But I think @hivetalk and @Wavlake deserve to be on the list.
The criteria is too tight. Throw more on the list not less. 🤷♀️
not his site, it became what it became bc it WAS NOT his site, I promise you this, if it would’ve been his site from the start it would be nowhere right now.
he’s great at many things but creating a site n maintaining it isn’t one of them lol
Is it true you don't even gm?
The main problem with that site was the lack of transparency. We didn’t know who ran it and who to contact so we just started posting notes that @Wavlake should be on it and that Wavman needed to be taken down.
I’m sure he got enjoyment from our trolling 🧌 but I’m sure many did 🤷♀️
Do you know what else is not nostr client Cocomelon or Mr beast
That’s what Mr Beast should learn criticism = honesty 
client is a kind of app
app is anything
client is just one of many kinds of apps
a server is an app
a system service is an app
the GUI is an app
the computer is an app
it means something that does something
Don’t quit!! What is your struggle? 🫂
change it to "nostrclients.com" then
I would look at it the same way like a browser, an email application or ssh are also not "TCP clients", while strictly speaking they do use that protocol under the hood.
Or a real-world analogy: we do not define cars, bikes or motors like "road vehicles" even though they mostly use a road.
Hivetalk, Wavlake should be on the list imo. They may not have a full Nostr integration, but they serve a very good use-use where Nostr is offering a solution. And most people would not care but I’m sure they will use it just because the apps works and the developers behind have the right intentions.
i know we have had words but fiatjaf not undrestanding the meaning of the word "application" is nothing to do with whether anyone appreciates your work
ultimately he runs the site so really this is just another example of how centralization is a highway to hell
here, here
not going back to the social manipulation apps like facebook or twitter
i'd sooner take a vow of silence and live in a monastery in the high andes
I've been most loyal to nostr.build than any other client or service. You are a huge part of the backbone of this place. IDGAF what anyone says.
100% there is no going back for me, just no more internet for me XD
Just learned about Hivetalk because of the Streisand Effect
That’s pretty cool, I tried to build something like that with WebRTC, but I wasn’t committed enough; I’m glad to see someone did
Can I call an npub?
I fully expect Nostr to obsolete phone numbers and expect a standard for clients to use for people to call their peers/follows
Are you working on that too?
Nice work 🤙
Im selling nostrclients.com for 21M sats
Serious inquiries only.
#nostr #grownostr #asknostr #bitcoin
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I would love to hear you and @The Fishcake (nostr.build) on a podcast
Make it happen @hodlbod
+1 in my ownway/
stick around BITKARROT*/
So instead of road vehicles lets call them vehicles.
Wait what did I miss ? Who’s or what is classified as nosterati 😮
Why are you not welcome ? 😮
feeling the same.
He has an good conceptual understanding Hopefully based on a sort of a hierarchy which motivated him to do this in first place, so "I'd hear him out"
Haha yeah maybe not the best analogy 🙈
Lol yes, that is our mission!
In all seriousness, our #1 goal is to help grow the nostr ecosystem making it fun and easy. We always encourage people to host their own media, especially if it is confidential or personal.
We are open source and have presented a few times on how to build your own media uploader.
We strongly support and encourage others to use all other nostr media hosts including:
Primal, nostrmedia.com, satellite.earth/cdn, void.cat etc!
I hope we don’t fail, I do hope other grow!
Fuck you fiatjaf !! 🖕
lol lmao
the effect is what matters, not your fucking intentions
fail.
You are welcome here! Don't quit! Find your niche. I love the freedom here.
You are direct competition with nostrnests a cabal elite nostrati
Acho que deve continuar para o bem da comunidade
Criticism is definitely different than not being told you are being removed from a list of encouraged apps shown to newcomers in a space.
Actually, all apps that allow for intercommunication should use public/private keypair signing, so yes, basically all apps will be nostr apps.
I'm sorry. Your little project is bigger than you now. Maybe time to take a more hands off approach.
Unless you prefer to be like Vitalik instead of Satoshi.
I've seen this before in other circles ... the hierarchy, notoriety, ego, power struggles ... sad. Hopefully it'll all be overcome for the good of the concept and user base. 🤞
New #nostr conspiracy theory just dropped ⬆️
I am building a Nostr app website where devs can list their own apps, V1 is out now. Keep in mind I am no professional so there will be bugs but it's NostrStore.com if anyone is interested. You must be on Desktop to add new ones and sign them though. You can receive zaps directly for your apps too.
@fiatjaf you've created something amazing. Thank you, from myself and everyone else here.
I think you and the community should think about governance. I don't have the answers, I don't know how to do it correctly, but I know that people smarter than me could have ideas. As more people come into this space, without governance, there's going to be trouble. Consider other FOSS projects, other decentralized projects, and how they do it.
Just a thought. 🤙
If nostr.band isn't a nostr client then primal isn't too. Npub.pro is 100% nostr client - it talks to outbox relays of site authors and has 0 dependency on a particular server/relay.
The 'cool kids' hold open office sessions at @npub18zsu...8aap though, where you can confront them directly out in the open!
And to top off the irony, they do it on hivetalk😱
Nobody is censoring. You learned from a squeaky wheel. That aside, it seems a worthwhile project.
If you guys really love Hivetalk and want to help us get the next major release out, we could use help with testing, and few good first issues are open for new to code folks.
Hit us up in the discord at :
(yeah i know, i know its discord, so sue me, lol)
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on my calendar for next time, if i can get up that early 😅
Right now, I'm trying to figure out what nips i need to make a "full" integration, and its getting a bit tricky here when the nips are constantly changing, and I'm not 100% full time into the protocol discussion cuz this isn't my full time job.
its difficult to build when the sand is constantly shifting under.
I'm okay with waiting until the dust settles and the definitions are clear, which they aren't right now. Some apps do "full" integration but they are also building the spec, which gives them the advantage to declare what is correct vs is not correct. If we're not defining the spec then its like, how do you even know what is or what isn't.
Either way I am not going to cry about it anymore. But this is something to think about as you go to FOSDEM how things are
As long as people keep the zaps coming and we cover the costs, I'll keep it going. If everyone wants to use it, GREAT!! If you don't, and I better put time elsewhere. Not going to get grants or vc, sorry. this is not how I fly for a pet project. I prefer running self-sovereign small businesses, and won't bow to an overlord.
nostr was only supposed to be side thing which has blown up to be much bigger than intended, for better or worse 😅 I was supposed to be spending more time on BTC/LN.... now this LOL
And also I would appreciate it much if you read this note that was a reply to Sebastix
Satellite
satellite.earth
if nostr.build pulled the plug on nostr and disappeared, the entire network would just die
100%
And i would appreciate if you'd never a https:// link to a note inside of Nostr again🧐
I think il touch on it a bit during my presentation.
I will also try to remember it for the next open office to discuss.
Right now, I'm trying to figure out what nips i need to make a "full" integration, and its getting a bit tricky here when the nips are constantly changing, and I'm not 100% full time into the protocol discussion cuz this isn't my full time job.
its difficult to build when the sand is constantly shifting under.
I'm okay with waiting until the dust settles and the definitions are clear, which they aren't right now. Some apps do "full" integration but they are also building the spec, which gives them the advantage to declare what is correct vs is not correct. If we're not defining the spec then its like, how do you even know what is or what isn't.
Either way I am not going to cry about it anymore. But this is something to think about as you go to FOSDEM how things are
As long as people keep the zaps coming and we cover the costs, I'll keep it going. If everyone wants to use it, GREAT!! If you don't, and I better put time elsewhere. Not going to get grants or vc, sorry. this is not how I fly for a pet project. I prefer running self-sovereign small businesses, and won't bow to an overlord.
nostr was only supposed to be side thing which has blown up to be much bigger than intended, for better or worse 😅 I was supposed to be spending more time on BTC/LN.... now this LOL
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Thanks. I appreciate it a lot and best of luck on your talk which I am sure will have a lot of impact.
And sorry if the link was a hassle; i am juggling about 10 things at the same time right now
So help me God.
Well you shouldn’t