the client doesn’t verify notes or read from relays. It is just a lite client that talks a proprietary api to their caching server. That server controls everything you see and could ban people and you wouldn’t know it. It’s against the entire ethos of nostr where users control what they see
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i didn't know that about @npub12vkc...pugg
so all those relays are just "decorative" ?
only caching service matters ?


yes, but raising awareness of this is important so that it stays this way
I actually didn't even know that until right now. I've been here for years, although hardly as a Primal user (occasional testing to see what they're up to - like this week). Highlighting the pros and cons for alternatives is important and people should do the same with Damus or any other client.
But I haven't verified this, to be clear. I just haven't heard it before now. We should also verify.
I wonder if you can have no caching service and see what happens.
You could connect to other caching services tho right? The caching definitely makes the experience better.
Is this really true? If I open up the network tab I can see it's talking to a bunch of relays. 

Thanks for this. I think this probably explains why I've been so damn frustrated with @npub12vkc...pugg for the last month or so.
Since basically everything on NOSTR is broken, I have to use multiple clients so I've been using Damus, Primal, and others. That said, I had been using primal.net as my primary client for a while but I just was told about jumble.social and so far the experience has been MUCH smoother on jumble.
Caveat, jumble.social lacks certain features but at least the features it does have are working properly. I actually see posts when they are posted. The like and repost buttons actually work consistently. It's great except for the missing features e.g DMs.
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