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But hasn't Nostr been around for a while? I'm coming from Bluesky where the user experience is 100% seamless, except during a mass influx of signups but even then it was just a little pothole in the road, although the protocol is not actually decentralized - a fatal flaw in my book. I also remember the glory days of original Twitter (which had a tip option) before the Musk takeover.
UX is WAY easier when the protocol isn't actually decentralized and there is just one major client run by a company with big money backing it.
Bluesky is a company. Nostr is a bunch of unpaid or underpaid weirdos coding independently in bedrooms around the world and they mostly don’t listen to each other or ever agree on how anything should be implemented.
it's a bunch of weirdos - critical point
Keep it weird sir
That’s part of the charm
LMAO. Now see, you're making me like Nostr too much.
Does Bluesky have big money behind it? I did not know this. I thought Dorsey was the big money before the mob ran him off the platform.
Ohhhhh... so backers are putting more in. Very intriguing that the 2024 seed round involved crypto backers, even though Bluesky says they won't take that route. 🤔 So the question is, what are those backers getting in return? 🧐
Ironically most Nostr clients have better UX than bluesky
Only Ditto comes close. bksy is clean and neat. Should work way better t han most nostr clients
If you just use primal the UX is pretty damn near flawless. It starts getting complex when you want to be able to zap with the same wallet from multiple clients
Are you kidding? Primal UI still a buggy mess and don't work right
Idk, bluesky didn’t work as well as primal when I used it a couple months ago. Primal actually feels smoother than X for me
Give me an example. It is less buggy than X
X resets to the home page if you close the app for 5 minutes. It also automatically refreshes, so I always lose something that looked interesting. There are a fuck ton of ads and reply guys.
Primal remembers where you are in the app no matter how long it’s in the background, no ads, no reply guys
This seems important. 🤔
Not just money, but certain design choices too, like lexicons.
Lexicons I think are pretty critical for a decentralised protocol to not get all messy. Ironically ATProto, currently the far more centralised protocol, has them well defined, and Nostr, currently the far more decentralised one, does not.
https://fediversereport.com/the-deep-dive-bluesky-lexicons/Nostr has Kinds and NIPS and all, which are collaborative and good, but are definitely a little more loose around the waist in comparison.
It will take off organically like bitcoin. It enriches everyone, as opposed to only enriching some corporation controlling it. That is revolutionary and it takes time to grow but as it does it becomes completely unstoppable and will eventually overtake the old paradigm.
Yeah, that happens when there is no main authority who folks look to as having the final word. 😂
Sort of but Kinds here can be pretty loose. Lexicons on ATproto can get very tight. Like taking Nostr Kinds and putting them in a Hollywood spy movie where the technician looks at the monitor and says "enhance". You've got schemas, and then sub-schemas, and even sub-sub-schemas.
It would be like Nostr having a developer-defined sub-schema for embedding, say, javascript charts in Kind1 posts. So ATporoto lexicons are living things. Kinds here tend to get locked down a little early (like we just hit "save and publish"), and if you a client wants to go down certain alleyways then either it's up to the client to just go down those alleyways and see, or there would be a need for a new Kind.
It's not so much about centralisation since ATproto lexicon development is pretty decentralised (arguably more so than Nostr). It's more about the way they're perceived.
Order out of chaos.
I'd argue ATProto lexicons are more decentralised than Nostr NIPS. If you zoom out it's a different story—but just zooming in to that one specific aspect then that's how it seems.
Yeah I think that's a pretty good summary. Wouldn't want to attempt a diagram though.
Nostur is a sleeper masterpiece. It supports multiple users, and even keeps a local copy of my follows and offers to restore them in case another client publishes the wrong list, which has happened to me a few times!
Nostur is sweet, actually where I generated my keys. The UI is shit, straight out of 2014
It’s one guy working on the whole thing.
Thank you for sharing this info. It really helps me understand Nostr from the dev's perspective and be more patient with any tech issues considering the challenging decentralized objective.
It seems like it's worth the tradeoff?
That’s impressive. Some really cool features there like delayed sending of notes
Are you saying we refuse to take bad advice here? 😂🫡
Sir I'm coding in an attic
I’d classify them more like misfits 😄
You’ve just described what happened when things are centralized…
Don't listen to or agree with each other 😂 so accurate.
I'm coding in my bedroom and have no idea what I'm doing.
