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Does it really prevents a lot of spam? I ask out my ignorance. I saw someone saying it doesn't prevent much spam in the end. I don't have the skills to read the code.
The mempool is empty. You are looking to fix a non existent problem.
Also if the mempool was not empty, the cost of spamming would increase and deincentive the spam.
We don't need bip 110. I'm running core
It’s not empty. You’re simply an idiot.

Relax. And please fork yourself away.
Me, too.
It’s a soft fork you blockhead
I was running Knots before (like, 2024). Running Core v31 now.
BIP-110 was a great way to teach people just how foolish trying to filter data on Bitcoin is.
So I guess it had some value.
It does. But the main goal isn't to prevent spam, it's to prevent CSAM legal attacks against Bitcoin.
You're entirely well aware that jpg's are still able to be included as has been demonstrated over at
Noncontiguous doesn't matter any more now than it did as a defense against piracy charges for rar files distributed in multiple parts on Usenet. For either legal or moral considerations.
whats the cleanest path for a non dev to actually review it, read the walkthrough and trust the diff, or spin up knots and watch BIP110 behave against real mainnet data?
cope harder 🤡
tell us you are a shitcoiner without telling us
Simple and elegant solution.
Agreed
What part of permissionless money means locked doors to you?
Does my home water filter “censors” my water? Or does it simply clean out all the crap, so it doesn’t kill my family?
What's crap? Chancellor on brink of second bailout
Yep. Even Saylor's been tweeting about how ineffective this approach is in his Saylor sort of way.
Rough when the paper bitcoin guy understands the p2pp network better than the 'node running maxis.'
I think the terminology makes people feel more badass than they should for running an executable though.
In 2011, I didn't 'run a node.' I downloaded this new thing called Bitcoin and ran it. Literally easier than a bittorrent client.
I'm not an ordinals fan boy but I am not an advocate for censorship either. This "fork" soft or hard will achieve nothing but pain
NO.
I don't think I've heard anyone argue that it's BIP110's code complexity that's the problem, it's what changing the code does or could do that people have issues with. A single lines change could easily have procedural, cultural, and game theory changes, both known and expected, and unknown and unexpected.
Mempools/blocks are running empty, fees are pinned at 1sat/vb for months and L2s are floundering and you're worried about "crap" in transactions. Talk about missing the forest
Honestly it's not that it does too much. It's that it doesn't solve anything. At all.
And yea, it COULD have negative downsides. I actually don't think there'd be much.
But when it accomplishes nothing why risk any?
Take a look at the UTXO set 🤷🏽♀️
yea, but why restrict yourself to pure H2O instead of arbitrary liquids which some people find use cases for?
shitfork liar
Rob Hamilton
It’s important to have a futures market with any contentious fork in Bitcoin.
Why?
Because the party forking gets what is called the “free call option”.
They can tweet, do long monologue videos about how their fork will win, and how no one will oppose them. They can use company resources to legally pressure miners, post populist rhetoric disassociated from reality (pľēb şľőp) and then… wait.
The activation comes, and they are delta neutral on a fork.
If…
No fork happens - they have their bitcoin.
The fork is successful - they have their bitcoin.
A chain split happens - they get Bitcoin on each side of the fork
See the problem? There is an opportunity cost of time and resources coordinating the fork (maybe reputation too), but that’s it! They can antagonize the network at no cost of bitcoin.
It’s worse than that though, everyone who told them they were wrong can’t even dump their hostile fork if they fail to even launch it.
The actual party who has to put up material cost in a fork are the miners. Since they cannot mine on both chains at once, they must choose where to secure coins. The only publicly stated mining pool position on this fork is f2 pool opposing it (~12% of hash rate).
My proposed on chain futures market requires no ecosystem coordination. The Bitcoin is settled automatically, and in the event there is a chain split, each side gets 2 BTC (each party gets the bitcoin they think will “win”).
A futures market forces actors among the Bitcoin network with different opinions to put skin in the game, price the risk, and act. It presents an opportunity to lock up Bitcoin for a time, and profit as a rational actor if they have conviction in their position.
The market will do this independent of your wishes otherwise. Via prediction markets, on chain, or exchange future markets (any exchange could get fees for swapping the fork to buy more bitcoin). We saw futures markets with the last contentious fork in 2017 when bitfinex listed futures.
If no market forms at all, it shows there are not two sides to the market, I’m here as one side of the market, so we know the side that is a no show.
This kind of weakness is death for a fork. If the side forking is unwilling to burn the ships, and put their bitcoin at risk, they are of low conviction and the fork will fail.
There will be a myriad of reasons as to why people who are so vocal and certain that BIP 444 will activate, won’t bet. To be clear, it’s cope.
Their optimal positioning as it relates to the opportunity to wager is:
1. Ignore
2. Public consider the bet, but to never commit.
3. Hand wave any reason to say the market is either immoral, illegitimate, impractical etc.
Any of these maintains the illusion of strength when they are actually weak. A requirement in fork psychology is to appear as if it’s a certainty, because forking is a game of chicken with the network.
A 1:1 ratio implies a 50% chance likelihood to succeed, far lower than they’d have you believe success is.
Additionally, to counter offer with a differnt ratio/odds gives up the game. They blink, show their hand and signal that they think 50% is way to high of a likelihood, and all the bluster comes tumbling down.
I’ve given feedback on the GitHub already from a technical perspective my objections to the BIP, they went largely unaddressed before the GitHub was locked.
Notice who will continue engaging in this content without taking the bet, they are seeking attention because they must consume the discourse as their shred of a hope to win.
Surely, there is already rumbling of restricting how 444 works, already a weakening of their position.
People will say I am wrong, but won’t take the wager.
Makes you think right?
I’ll give 10% of my potential winnings from the contract if you refer a BIP444 proponent into actually making the bet with me.
So whenever you see someone talking about the certainty of this fork activating, link them to this post so we can both make some bitcoin!
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BIP110 just reminds me of those throwers in high ranked competitive video games.
Demonstrating that consensus can be changed by disinfo and hostage tactics is damaging imho
It accomplishes what it intended to: closing the CSAM attack vector.
CSAM is already illegal. What they have done is treat everyone like a fucking criminal and surveil everyone. That is never ever justified. And their systems do 70% false positives harming a lot of innocent people as well.
How so? Inscriptions are already bip110 compatible. Any spam protocol moves faster than bitcoin consensus.
Let me translate from Luke to English: data that has gaps in it doesn't count.
As far as he's concerned, the jpg clearly visible at knotslies.com with explanation and code isn't a jpg because there's gaps.
Don't believe your lying eyes.
Bot? Or just way out of context?
We're talking about BIP-110, not the surveillance state.
"Inscriptions" are spam, not data/image storage, despite what the scammers want you to believe.
Liar

How about this, image enough for you?
Yea that was predictable. Just posting it for anyone else to review the cold and actually accept reality.
Didn't expect you to change your stripes.
Code even.
The “money” part. Spam is not a monetary use case.
Mitigating spam is not censoring “permissionless money”, it’s protecting the monetary use cases from the unnecessary costs and risks introduced by the spam.
Bitcoin was designed from Genesis with a spam prevention mechanism. Attempting to block transactions containing information you don't think constitutes a valid use case is an overstep, unnecessary and poses a far greater risk to Bitcoin than any "spam" someone is paying to put on chain.
Quickest follow, unfollow of my Nostr experience. So long Coretard.
I must be a pedo since I prefer running libre relay right? Or maybe I just like money you can't fuck with.
I know Bitcoin has changed a lot since then. But it's spam prevention mechanism, total supply, and many other things are the same as they were then.
(Albeit, total supply did have a bug at Genesis... That's not the point.)
Mining isn't centralized now either. And libre relay is not malicious just because it takes off core guardrails... And op return is a mempool policy and has nothing to do with the op return limit of my own transaction. I can sign and briadcast an op return bigger than that well before core 30.
Lots of pools in that chart. Because some have more hash than others or a significant amount is not an indication of centralization. And a 51% attack is a dumb attack vector. It's pointless. Disruption at the cost of millions for little to no gain.
I have made a couple yes but only a couple and they're much older when I was playing with it. Indexing sats is a fun idea. But ultimately it turns sats into serialized numbers which is fun and delusional. You can't build anything serious on a shared delusion and the protocol is busted AF imo. Hence the issue. I'm a developer. You think I'm not going to play around with things to understand them?
I'm not really "into them". I think it's a fun idea. Let the retards pay the miners.
Let me rephrase, the reference ord implementation is busted. Protocol is a fun idea but wholly inefficient to really build anything on.
You are talking about a today. He is focused on the future. These people are not built the same.
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