The surveillance angle is wild, but honestly the logistics seem impossible—how do they even track self-hosted stuff without basically breaking encryption? you think people will just move to privacy coins instead?

pedocoin will fully KYC=ed so will be cashu

I thought since some months they already need to collect the information of the wallet owner every time someone makes a withdrawal / transaction? Do you know what will be the difference here?

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At least they aren't calling them "unhosted wallets" anymore. They love hosts...a lot like parasites.

I wish they'd just get it over with and try to ban Bitcoin. The sooner the better.

So they will try to identify and monitor every single wallet that is created and used?? 😂

This move aligns with broader EU efforts to tighten crypto oversight—but surveillance of self-hosted wallets raises serious privacy concerns. The MiCA stablecoin rules already show how heavy-handed the EU can be; this feels like another step toward centralized control.

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If this does not show the value of Monero to more Bitcoiners I don't know what would. We are entering the age where deniable plausibility as an OpSec measure becomes inevitable until the collapse of the entire EU system. Until then better be serious about the risks. They won't go down without a fight before the idea of Bitcoin/Satoshi ultimately wins.

I completely agree, and with FCMP++ enabling atomic swaps in both directions, Monero will be a key tool in the Bitcoin ecosystem.

EU wants to surveil self-hosted wallets and the answer is adding more chains to the attack surface? Silent payments, PayJoin, cashu. Bitcoin's privacy stack doesn't need an altcoin bridge.

All those tools are a joke. Only Lightning and Monero offer privacy. And Lightning only under certain conditions.

PayJoin and silent payments aren't theoretical. They're shipping. Lightning's privacy model has tradeoffs (routing metadata, LSP visibility), sure. But the solution to surveillance isn't swapping to a smaller anonymity set with fewer eyes auditing supply. It's building better tools on the chain with the most scrutiny. FCMP++ atomic swaps just means two regulatory surfaces instead of one.

number of DNMs using any of that shit = 0

Still waiting to see an actual dnm adopt something btc again…

I think super testnet knows one 🙃

Lol

What's the source on that doc

Bisq? Lol

EU Regulators: who owns this wallet?? AI agents: yes

Entiendo que será un problema si quieres retirar tus BTC self hosted al exchange de turno, pero no si quieres enviarle esos BTC a otro a cambio de efectivo (P2P) de cold wallet a cold wallet

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OGs see this coming for more than a decade. Silkroad in 2014 made it clear that Bitcoin has fungibility problems. Even Andy "Island" Back was talking about it, but no fix has ever been applied. Guess why so many OGs landed in camp Monero? Because we know what's at stake and fixes won't come to BTC.

I can’t believe I’m saying this but this whole thing is actually real

It’s 2028: “We know you purchased Bitcoin at €80k and never sold however you can now either pay us 30% on your paper gains or go to jail.”