We need more vibe coded apps. We haven't reached critical mass yet.
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Wait a little, wait... I'm cooking up something big here. Otherwise, I have a small app linked in my profile (ZapStar).
I already forget to use all of them. I need a daily check list 🤣
i actually have daily reminders on my calendar :P
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if they are not on your vibe coded list.
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Yeah, I may need to do that. I visited chorus yesterday and really hate that it didn't take off better. I was hoping for a reddit replacement and groups in nostrudel are dead.... but if I don't visit and use, how is it going to take off, so I am to blame I guess.
I might make some daily tab groups or something.
We have multiple social network apps, multiple music apps, some healthcare apps, office suites, calendar apps, conferencing, video streaming. What space are we missing where sovereign data ownership doesn’t have a Nostr based FOSS solution?
I do know one glaringly overlooked space is the smart watch ecosystem. Watches can be used as a signer, there’s no messaging or lightning apps built for smart watches.
correct, we do have all of these apps, but the vast majority of people aren't going to leave their existing platforms and ecosystems for apps that work half as well, but promise things like decentralization and censorship resistance. the vast majority of hte world doesn't care about those things. they do however care about the new sexy and trendy app. the more ideas we have, the more chances we have at building that new sexy and trendy app that attracts the masses.
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Solve real world problems, not “me-too” apps but just on Nostr? I think there are a couple of interesting models to look at:
-The Samwer brothers’ Rocket Internet. Their core skill was rapid expansion, which allowed them to clone trending American startups in markets their American counterparts weren’t yet in.
-Apple’s and Google’s OS’s are built on Unix and Linux. They took open source tools and built closed source solutions, leveraging some characteristics of the FOSS tech, and not others, for proprietary solutions.
-One of the distinct advantages of Nostr is its uptime. What are uses where Nostr’s uptime is superior to current solutions, AND is necessary for mission critical? Perhaps where data ownership is also important? What about rails for Internet of Things- accessing security devices remotely? Or rails for medical information? Solutions don’t have to be consumer-focused only. What about supply chain and logistics, where physical packages have a tamper proof audit trail? Or content registries? Or can Nostr be a cheaper solution for companies with SLA’s that demand 99.999% uptime?
Without an easy onboarding system all glittery Nostr app-ism is flawed imho
reddit replacement is something damus is actively working on. stay tuned
This is important. Good work 🦾
no we do not, we need more nostr apps, but good ones, not vibe coded ones
Thank you.
We need both, the good and the bad, because if it's bad, it's enough that interested people contribute to making it better.
Much needed, such wow
not sure how to do it in a decentralized way without spam though. seems like you would need a single or set of trusted relays with spam protections (ip banning)
but at least you could switch away from those relays if it became corrupt?
web of trust doesn't help here since there wouldn't be contact lists
how would you approach this problem @fiatjaf ? seems a lot different than the twitter way of using follow lists to avoiding spam.
I'm leaning toward a few servers run by different people for redundancy/weak censorship resistance, but they all would be required to have heavy anti-spam protections and maybe even shared spam ip blocklists.
could just make it stackernews style and require payment for every interaction, but I feel like that is too limiting.
we need more relays that support rate limiting, IP banning, and AI content filtering to be honest. this is becoming a problem to where it's hurting growth, IMO.
its particularily important for things that are *open* where you can't rely on WoT as much.
I need to add ip banning to my rate limit noteguard filter. Should improve things substantially…
working on it
what if there was a protocol *requirement* when connecting to certain types of nostr relays that host public content. like it will refuse to connect unless it signals certain rate limit guarantees.
just spitballing.
i guess you could signal this in relay metadata
I guess.
The best approach (and to me the only that doesn't have crucial flaws) I could think of is still the NIP-29 one: groups are identified by a random id and can have owners and mods and rules, but the rules are enforced by a specific trusted relay. So in fact a group "address" is given by id+relay.
If the relay goes offline or become evil groups can just move to a different relay.
Anyone can also fork the group by reusing its id but defining a different relay that accepts the new ownership.
Why do few Nostr clients support groups? Groups are essential for engaging people. My dream is to recreate the old Orkut through Nostr.
this seems more suited to closed groups vs open reddit-style communities?
That's true, but I think something like that should be the basis for both. Telegram has groups that require invites and groups that anyone can join at will, but they're the same underneath and in both cases these groups have an "owner".
Now you only need to have a group like that (it's the default for most such style groups that exist today, for example, in 
and a relay that allows anyone to join, but only if they fit some arbitrary anti-bot requirements.
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What are the requirements you're working to?
My intuition is to start off with one relay per community, with relay selection options for that. Easy to work with, can have multiple communities of the same name. The moderators configure who joins through configuring relays.
Its a base case that most are familiar with, and higher granularity can come as needed.
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I'd like all of the reddit tech sub's archived and searchable
Reddit replacement is something Stacker News already did
Stacker News
stacker news
It's like Hacker News but we pay you Bitcoin.
thats lightning only though
That’s a feature
if you only want a community of bitcoiners sure
There are just a few more people in the world besides Bitcoiners. We should build for them too.
This is Golden Rule development philosophy.
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What does that mean, in practice
It is for them too
I wasn’t a bitcoiner when I started using Stacker News
sure but in practice it just scares people away
It didn’t scare me. Maybe you aren’t giving people enough credit.
And, maybe you’re trying to appeal to the wrong people.
Who would be scared of Stacker News and be looking for a Reddit alternative built on nostr? Not many people.
If you have 0.000bitcoin you aren't able to post there afaik? It may just be 21 sats, but some people have nothing, don't have a lightning wallet etc etc.
This is not to mention that it is pretty much Bitcoin forum, perhaps even more so than nostr is a Bitcoin chatroom lol.
Are you going to join a reddit clone where everyone talks about ethereum and you have to pay (very small amounts) of ethereum to post?
"Bitcoiners" is a term only because of Bitcoin's novelty. You don't call people "Dollar-ers" because they use dollars. Stacker is reddit with V4V. Building with other monetary mediums in mind is only to the detriment of the users. Just look at how many currencies have failed. Building with those currencies as the focal value transfer is just short sighted.
I started there with 0 sats. You can make a free introductory post and bootstrap from the zaps it gets.
Also, there’s already a very active sports community and lots of non-bitcoin discussions about economics, politics, and general news. Last month, about 60 original short stories were published there.
I don’t see anything like that level of non-bitcoin content on nostr and it’s much harder to find.
So many of 'us' have a hard time understanding how people don't always agree with 'us'. 😂
Authorship vs. Authority.
Curation vs. moderation.
Being able to fork a group's identity, and just port it somewhere else is incredibly interesting from a curation perspective.
as long as there is a space, where people can meet randomly, basically open public microblog relays, there will be avenues for two branches of one group, living on two different relays, to interact in their intersections.
I've not paid too much attention to it. But I do like the format, it could probably do with making subsections like Bitcoin, sports, music etc etc (although I imagine they are happy with it being a Bitcoin forum, but maybe a form of it). The front page would be enough to put anyone off who doesn't want to talk about Bitcoin.
But besides an initial introductory bunch of sats, there's no guarantee that a no coiner would be able to post after that gone. Especially if they're posting niche/ignored or otherwise unpopular posts/topics. So it once again incentivises (like nostr) more Bitcoin posts.
I do like how they give you a wallet tho, no need to fuss about that step of you are a lightning noob.
I totally get why pay-to-post exists tho too
There are separate sections for those things, called territories. I own the econ territory and co-own sports. I agree that discoverability from the front page could be improved.
If someone spends more on posting fees than they receive in zaps, it means they aren't adding value to the readers. That they cease posting is sort of the point of a market economy. Extra pressure to consider what value you're adding is another feature that people sometimes see as a bug.
That said, most of us do want people to have some sort of ration of free posts, like one per day.
Oh I didn't know that, that is very interesting. I see it now, on the drop down.
How are these territories made? What if someone came along and wanted to make their own 'terrirtory'?
Not sure I agree with you. Someone posting there about an unpopular topic will likely be spending more on fees than receiving because there is no audience for their topic. The same person / posts may be very popular in a niche interest forum. Or perhaps it would even depend on their politics, a socialist poster wouldn't fare well there I imagine (just as an obvious example, but you get the idea). It having no value to the existing audience isn't a great mechanism to encourage wider adoption / diversity of topics and views.
Do we have any idea of the stats on stacker news user numbers/growth?
Territories can be made by anyone at anytime on any topic. For one month, a territory costs 50k sats and the founder gets to set the posting and commenting fees and receives a split of the zaps to content in that territory. There are something like eight profitable territories right now. The bottom of the site has a link to the analytics page, which has a bunch of graphs on various metrics.
You make a good point about quality posts vs what's currently valued. My experience is that thoughtful posts about almost anything can receive a decent quantity of zaps. The community isn't all that monolithic, other than being bitcoin maxis.
USDT zaps.
Also building a nostr-decentralised reddit that comes even a tiny bit close to the UX of actual reddit is just a monumental task. It's not just a build, you need to casually solve a number of long-standing computer science problems on the way.
Hold on, 50k sats PER MONTH to have a topic forum? That seems quite outrageous no? That can't be right?
It is correct, and as I said many territories more than earn that back and many more nearly break even.
That fee is the source of funding for the developers. They don’t take any cut of the activity on the site.
600,000 sats a year seems insane, no?
I suppose this does not take into account the the forum ('territory') owner takes a % from the posts or something, like you said most break even.
But there are like 20+ subforums (I can't count them on my phone so it's a bit of a guess) on stackernews.
That's 20 x $650~
= $13000 per annum. Can this be right??
This goes back to the nostr bitcoin chatroom dilemma, nostr has easy access to adopters via bitcoin community, bitcoin community flood everything with bitcoinisms which puts off all other forms of adoption.
On the upside the forum format of stackernews has an obvious way of containing bitcoin tourettes via moderated discussion subforums for other topics.
Perhaps it needs a rebrand or something too lol stackernews is a bitcoin pun on hackernews, it reads as hackernews-for-bitcoiners. Perhaps too late for a rebrand ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ tricky 🤔
They just to revamp like fountain did run the entire back-end on nostr
Most don’t break even but there are lots of reasons for that. Some owners aren’t very active and some own the territories as pet projects.
Oh I see