This a really good post from Jack. Part of the answer might just be time. The tech is real, people are building on it, and it takes time for people to be burned by permissioned systems to discover permissionless ones now that they exist. I do think that bitcoin wallet + social graph is a big combo in the long run. The fact that you can just look up and pay anyone you know without that person taking action to tell you their payment details, especially in an open source and international environment, is a pretty big deal. Not just zaps as tips on posts, but zaps for Nostr marketplaces or for saying “pay me on Nostr” for products/services unrelated to Nostr per se. And for the social network part, I just like the fact that Nostr is permissionless and open. Twitter has a huge network effect and I have plenty of friends/connections there, so I still post there a lot and use it for research as well. That is irreplaceable until it is not. But Nostr feels different. The tech feels right, the group that adopts that tech early feels right, and so to me it feels right to post things here that I would not otherwise post to 675k Twitter followers. Less filtered, for better or worse. I used to be involved with individual small forums back before widespread social media was a thing, and was an administrator for one to help run it, and that type of smaller community was valuable. In fact, I inadvertently met my now-husband there 13 years ago, who was also an administrator. The forum had fewer than 50,000 people, with only a few thousand active at any time, but in context that is the size of a significant town. But while Nostr still has the “feel” of a smaller forum now, its open source and permissionless nature gives it enormous expansion opportunity. While programmers do their best to build new features and capabilities, I try to seed this current smaller version of Nostr with unique content that doesn’t feel right to post in a larger centralized setting but feels more right for a smaller decentralized community of adventurers. Because I want permissionless and open source tech to win.
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nostr is still mainly used alongside twitter. in the best rare case, as a replacement. and only because people are running away from something about twitter they don't like. there is nothing that people want to run to nostr for yet. zaps were promising, but bitcoin is still a hurdle (one that primal is doing the best at overcoming), and it's doubtful lightning could scale to a massive adoption moment. nostr needs a feature or experience that's unique and sets it apart. i *think* that is the ecosystem of microapps over the long term...but it's definitely not in the short term. and that might be ok. for twitter the initial draw was the simplicity and weirdness of 140 characters (we started with zero network effect, facebook had it all...that's built over time). later it became the conversation which lead to the "public square" (owned by a private corporation ¯\_(ツ)_/¯). and then as it grew, it had a single point of control/failure people could attack. nostr doesn't have to worry about that last bit. it's an incredible feature. but not one the average person cares about (no matter how much they yell "FREE SPEECH!"...if people actually cared about free speech, bitcoin and nostr would be all they used...they don't). all this to say, we're not doomed. but what we think is the killer feature isn't right now. who's going to discover the one that is?
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llamasrus 1 year ago
was that a private torrent tracker forum 😅
Been spending a lot of time thinning about these ideas this weekend too, Lyn. We can look at Bitcoin as a good example model for the growth of a decentralized protocol, which just acts different. Development is done not for profit, but for a common mission. Profit may happen, in time it should. Adoption should happen too, first it starts small with the people who are paying attention the closest and then we see the ripple effect. The killer app is existing, the timing is dependent upon external fracturing.
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uncleJim21 1 year ago
As a builder I can say there are definitely things I built an order of magnitude quicker because there’s less BS in permissionless systems. There is no chance I’m alone in this. If that’s true in the long run better products will emerge out of open systems. Eyes on the prize folks.
it is exploding. I think back five years ago, even when I was in Bitcoin, I had no idea what FOSS was or what it's value proposition held. Today it's quickly becoming a major part of my life, and it's so easy to interact with.
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Brian 1 year ago
I agree and it feels like we're winning in a lot of ways. Normies are aware of the word "fiat" now... no one knew to differentiate between money and government money before. People are also waking up to the surveillance business model and "if you're not paying, you're the product" and looking for FOSS alternatives.
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MeredithAnne 1 year ago
We should remember why we first joined social media and bring or build that here. My first interaction was a message board on ABC back in 2003.
I had the exact same experience. I knew about it and was "meh" for years. Now it's one of the few things I take very seriously. I credit being in Bitcoin for that change.
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Lyn Alden 1 year ago
We still expect to see #Bitcoin to have a parabolic move to top out at $300K+ this cycle, Until then just keep stacking, and build your sats with passive arbitrage pattern to 100x your sats. If you haven't join the rebelcapitalist vip group already, I would highly recommend it for passive accumulation. RCL is one of the *super underrated*, extremely knowledgeable OG #Bitcoiner and newsletters, for expert trading market philosophy. Vip group: Arbitrage:
We need communities with admins coded into the protocol. Reddit seems even more ripe for the disrupting than any other social media - and those users already use nyms and paid super-likes (like zaps)
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RedEye 1 year ago
Your point about Nostr facilitating payments in general I really feel too. It seems to be under appreciated at the moment but is stupidly bullish.
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illuminodes 1 year ago
We have only scratched the surface. There is so much opportunity here that we can't comprehend where this will go. One thing is for sure. The fact that it is open and UN-associated is it key value. Let's build!
One straightforward move here is to take what’s working on Farcaster and reimplement it for the Bitcoin/nostr community. Could start with cast actions and frames. They are an open spec and transfer really well to nostr, and empower a ton of non-fulltime devs to innovate towards truly unique experiences