would adding confidential transactions to bitcoin mitigate spam?
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What exactly is spam on bitcoin?
What is a woman?
dont feel like arguing definitions, in this case lets go with non monetary transactions
Bitcoin I guess.
Non-monetary transactions do not belong. #BitcoinIsMoney
Everything is spam if you can't parse the data.
How would this work? How does Liquid do confidential transactions? 🤔
This made me ponder Simplicity and what it would enable.
i dont think inscriptions are possible on liquid?
Great movie
Start with (relentlessly) preaching knots & @npub1qtvl...7dze and shaming the shit out of spammers and commie devs first.
That might actually do a lot to mitigate spam than confidential txs.
As a default! Try to filter that
if it's confidential we won't even know whether it was spam transaction or financial transaction ? 🤷🏾♂️ whdo at you think?
too much overhead - risking decentralization
Mimble wimble time finally?
Spammers gonna spam.
I’m not here to argue semantics — just to clarify a few things.
Spam on Bitcoin has always meant something pretty specific:
transactions designed to clog the network, avoid fees, or disrupt normal usage.
Ordinals don’t do that.
They use standard Bitcoin transactions.
They pay full fees up front when inscribed — and again when sold or transferred.
They feed miners, help build the fee market, and actually reinforce Bitcoin’s long-term security.
So putting all “non-monetary data” in the same category as spam doesn’t really hold up.
Bitcoin is evolving — and with it, our definition of money is too.
People are already using Bitcoin not just for payments,
but to anchor truth, culture, and proof — all timestamped, immutable, and paid for.
That’s not misuse.
That’s exactly what Bitcoin was built to support:
permissionless innovation, with real skin in the game.
Bitcoin isn’t just currency anymore.
It’s a full monetary protocol.
And that opens up a lot more than we imagined at the start.
This is my take on it.
Bitchat??
only because there'd be no blockspace left 😅
Would make txs much bigger
Stop funding infiltrated core developers.
we are not
all opensats grants are listed on our website
which devs are commies?
how does ocean stop spam?
would probably increase mining centralization but would reduce protocol level censorship risk due to better privacy
Seems like it
We see a lot of mining centralization and no protocol level censorship so doesn't really seem like a good trade off atm
I don't see an issue.
By not picking up garbage through Datum?
would it mitigate non monetary transactions
individual miners running datum choose which transactions are included in the blocks they mine
they can choose to mine spam
First fix the taproot hack. Start removing garbage from bitcoin first, then we can think about adding stuff to it.
Only in so far that blocks potentially would be more full so the cost goes up.
Definitely are
Is the potential impact of spam increasing the likelihood of a hard fork?
is there a pull request you have in mind
anyone can hard fork without permission
is there an increased likelihood of a hard fork with real support? i think no
You are right. However it seems like if you are Ocean miner you most likely are not mining spam and Datum is helpful for that purpose. Ocean rather than just a pool seems to be an idea. Idea evolving around Bitcoin mining decentalization and Bitcoin as monetary network.
Maybe I’m wrong but this is how I see it, so why not to preach that?
As far as I understand, @Luke Dashjr made one multiple times and it was rejected by core Devs. However I haven’t seen it with my own eyes, but I trust @Bitcoin Mechanic and @Matthew Kratter that were talking about it multiple times luz
It would kill the ordinals theory, but data stuffing is still possible
yea so users wouldnt be able to “transfer/buy/sell” inscriptions
I would say it’s prudent then to wait on CT until we see how spam plays out
Tbf, it's trivial to come up with a new numbering scheme to do that. But the current stuff would break
They might indirectly limit spam by making txs bigger and heavier, but fees are still the real deterrent.
Would you agree that most of Satoshi's early transactions are non-monetary? The mined rewards were never moved or used for transactions. Also he inscribed random spam such as newsletter headlines and bloated precious blockspace from the beginning.
Its all about money. Corruption unleashes the worst from people. Bitcoin is ATTACKED!
Run your Bitcoin Knots and don't allow Bitcoin to be turned into a shitcoin like Ethereum
How to turn Bitcoin into a shitocin for $2.7M by Citrea (Lopp is investor), Ordinals, Delphi Ventures, Eric Wall, co-founder of the Taproot Wizards NFT project; and Anurag Arjun?
"Chainway Labs went public earlier this month with the news that it was building what it says will be the first zero-knowledge rollup for Bitcoin: Citrea. On Wednesday, the company disclosed to CoinDesk that it had raised $2.7 million in a seed fundraising round led by Galaxy Ventures.
The round saw participation from other investors including Delphi Ventures; Eric Wall, co-founder of the Taproot Wizards NFT project; and Anurag Arjun, co-founder of data availability blockchain Avail.
Historically, Bitcoin developers have focused on keeping the network simple, limiting core protocol upgrades to avoid over-complicating the chain and straying from its core use case of peer-to-peer transactions. That's changed over the past year with BitVM and Ordinals inscriptions, which are technologies that help layer 2 platforms use the Bitcoin blockchain to handle a wider array of use-cases, like NFTs and programmable smart contracts.
With Citrea, Chainway is working to help Bitcoin better accommodate decentralized finance (DeFi), NFTs and other use cases that were previously only possible on smart contract-based blockchains like Ethereum, but are now possible for Bitcoin to handle."
https://www.coinglass.com/news/91227
And the ordinals spam
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And the ordinals spam
You are asking too many wrong questions
Did I say that you can STOP spam?
Moreover, open bitcoin core repository on GitHub and check how someone with opposing view got banned by core devs in the past.
You probably know all of these way better than me but you just don't want to accept it.
OCEAN enables miners to use their own updated spam filters. The other pools force them to use obsolete and buggy Core ones.
They _can_, but there's no good reason they _would_. They also have the freedom to _not_ mine the spam, unlike with other pools that force them to do so.
Stop with the strawman.
ocean blocks has the best health if you are measuring it by spam
And can't comprehend why Odell choose to expose himself with arguments so so flat.
Damn. @ODELL too
What am I missing. Where are we headed?
🤔
I feel crazy.
Its true. Im doing it now.
Help is out, @ODELL
Do you see any issue with the changes to default op_return settings in v30?
personally i think core maintainers should have left the default unchanged and if node operators wanted to increase it manually they could
i also think node operators should have more options, in general, one of the reasons i donate my time to building out opensats
all that said, i do not think changing the default will “kill bitcoin” or represents a major change to the network, these transactions are valid and being confirmed regardless, lots of fear peddling that is unproductive
What about knowing the real reason behind the change?
Bitcoin has been corrupted at the Core.
https://www.coinglass.com/news/91227
All the lies, all the propaganda, all the gaslighting all their BS and attack on Bitcoin Culture and Bitcoin Values.
With the aim to turn Bitcoin into Ethereum like NFT shitcoin ...
Run your Knots nodes boys and girls. We need to save Bitcoin 🚀
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That makes sense. I am not generally someone who enjoys peddling fear. And I do not think it will break bitcoin.
I do wonder what will change with this update though. Seems like there are potential consequences that people are ignoring.
And I feel like there is a lot of gas lighting which is a red flag for me.
CT would be awesome. Not sure if it mitigates spam tho.
Longtime question from regular freak - what's the best way to ensure UTXO privacy, coinjoin? Send to lightening that back on chain?