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I bet there are many Ring users even on nostr, to me it has always been a surveillance tool, with the images stored in the cloud... I see iPhones the same way BTW, and probably 50%++ of users on nostr are using Apple products and their data storage clouds...

Not to be an arsehole about it, but you do give implicit permission if Ring says it provides this "Service" when you sign up and install their product. Don't want this, don't install it.

Fair, but I'm sure that most people don't read the terms and certainly wouldn't think that the data would be sold off to surveillance firms. ...I mean, most american's still think that the dollar is backed by gold. 😂

Time to ditch!

I hate these things, everyone seems to have them too. They may be announcing this officially now, but they've happily admitted to selling all user data to third parties since their inception. State intelligence is a third party. Backdoor 1984 style surveillance and the masses have no idea.

I love how the article says “will give users the option to share their data” then ends with “will be turned on by default”. Like who will know this is even a thing without looking into it

Not installing one of those 1984 devices People actually pay for those!

You're spitting. Apple spyware's gotta be rejected if we're to have systemic freedom.

This is insane!

*Any* camera I see, I assume streams to "the cloud" as 99% do and there is nothing but promises to the owner of the cam but how would others know where that data goes? I bought cams that I didn't end up installing as it was too cumbersome to make sure the data stays on premise.

It's best to just assume that all the closed-source devices, web-services, etc. that you use are surveilling (and will eventually leak) whatever of your data they may have access to (i.e. whatever data you can't verify that they don't have access). So, unless you're comfortable walking around naked in front of the whole world, you better make sure you are in control over your entire security camera stack (among other things).

Anything that isn't open source will be abused. This is valid for money, your phone in your pocket and apparently your shitty web camera 🤫🤫 nostr:nevent1qqsyc8u3v8krdvttxfeedtdymatderqgm9gy8w6zf8nnng7czzkc7wczyqtnnkfhmjxqcums4gn4skfccyv7yhzp7mzyrfwnf3kns5p7xymw7qcyqqqqqqghrqesx

And how many more people willingly have Alexa (from the same company) listening in to every sound and conversation in their homes - not just outside the front door.

Another reason to choose open source. They are paving the way... nostr:nevent1qqsyc8u3v8krdvttxfeedtdymatderqgm9gy8w6zf8nnng7czzkc7wczyqtnnkfhmjxqcums4gn4skfccyv7yhzp7mzyrfwnf3kns5p7xymw7qcyqqqqqqghrqesx

Sadly, anything that you own that relies on a connection to some corporation's centralised servers is not your property. Never has been, never could be. nostr:nevent1qqsyc8u3v8krdvttxfeedtdymatderqgm9gy8w6zf8nnng7czzkc7wczyqtnnkfhmjxqcums4gn4skfccyv7yhzp7mzyrfwnf3kns5p7xymw7qcyqqqqqqghrqesx

Same. Bought a few local only cameras only to find out the vendor was sending data to a server for LLM classification. Local only was BS marketing pitch. Most camera with fancy features send to the cloud. You have to buy oldschool wired cameras if you don’t want that.

I never had one but my neighbourhood is littered with them. I cannot leave my house without being recorded by some 10-20 of those damned things. I hate it so much.

How do i convince my neighbors to get rid of it would be the contextual question to that remark.

Not sure. Maybe just have a longer conversation expressing your concerns. They might understand.

I use and strongly recommend Ubiquiti as a self-hosted on-prem video doorbell (and more generally, surveillance) system. PoE or WiFi. https://store.ui.com/us/en/category/cameras-doorbells

And today they are down with AWS

As if that is news to anybody. Fools.

Time for some stickers or some lawsuits.

Use the downtimes to place sticker on it. #MakeItBlind

Global workforce share is dead. It's back to DIY.

The pattern is observable literally in every industry.

Fair, but then I didn't agree to my neighbours camera. Time for lawsuits, I guess.

Getting you to work for the surveillance state. Nice.

Yeah but last night I was watching possums in my cherry tree with my ring cam. Worth it.

No privacy with closed source software. Can you prove it's not phoning home?

Ya that's a no Brainer

It's kinda obvious that it's a thing.

Androids too

Only closed source android. Proprietary software is the enemy.

Noose is tightening though. Can't be a Android app developer without submitting I'd. When are the btcers uniting and creating freedom phone. Removable battery, cameras with shutters. What else?

First move is pixel with nostr:nprofile1qqs9g69ua6m5ec6ukstnmnyewj7a4j0gjjn5hu75f7w23d64gczunmgvflt8e In 2027 it can be another brand than Google pixel for this OS. A second move is using Linux on at least one laptop/PC, with open source software only on one accound and third party software on another account. On the street one can wear specially designed glasses and clothing that interrupts cameras, CCTV systems. The biggest problem with the massive surveillance is in big cities, there are reports that many drones operate already in the sky out of reach of our eyes. I think many will move into forests, jungles and literally underground, to escape the future, driven by robots, blidnly following orders, social credit scores and what not The pararell society armed with the right tools can form a decent resistance, but the pushback will be ignored by the decision makers who will be making trillions on data driven economies.

Yeah you can, you just can only install those unsigned APKs on an open source android distro like Graphene. The librem Linux phone exists now. The GrapheneOS team is working on sourcing specialized hardware in the future. As they tighten it squeezes more and more of us out the sides. They create increased demand for the parallel economy and freedom software/hardware

I get my home surveillance devices from china, Alhua, way more private than all the cloud options

Self host with Eufy

Only if you’re an NPC

Did you look into Eufy before getting this?

We live in reality. Not everything is Foss. You do the best you can with what’s available

Briefly; Eufy has had a lot of problems including "encrypted" streams not really being encrypted (https://www.channelnews.com.au/eufys-chinese-owners-finally-admit-their-security-cameras-were-a-security-risk/) as well as that they are Chinese owned and manufactured. Ubiquiti is US owned and Taiwanese manufactured; and further I use a complete Ubiquiti networking stack (gateway, switching, wifi) so it was a great fit.

Good to know👍🏼 I’m waiting for Start9 to one day release their home surveillance cameras that can be paired to their upcoming router that’s hooked to my server pure. One day 😅

Yea i use Frigate

wasn't it always like that?

Hmm what good about it

Self hosted with Object detection / MQTT / HA integrations

OpenWRT routers and Frigate CCTV software are both FOSS. I live in a free, private reality. You?

Congrats on achieving peak privacy by open-sourcing the 1 percent of the stack you can actually see while trusting the other 99 percent you can’t. I’m sure the chip firmware and binary blobs appreciate your faith