This makes s lot of sense.

Tell me about it… 36 with small kids is 😅. View quoted note →

Disagree. You should not have kids until you are in your 30s as a man and late 20s as a woman.

We have more shit to learn than they did 100 years ago

Like what

Instant and free access to all collective human knowledge and history 😭

Yeah but why would that delay you from having kids? Doesn’t make sense.

We have to learn history deeply or else it will repeat forever. We must learn science so we can invent new abundance. We must learn language arts so we can document our progress

So teach the kids THAT shit instead of wasting their youth in government classrooms. I hope my sons have kids between 24-28. I had mine at 26 and 28 and am glad I didn't wait, regardless how much more well off I could have possibly been by waiting. My kids are the greatest sources of joy In my life and experiencing that sooner rather than later seems like a good thing to me.

I'm not against that idea, but I think that came from thinking we "peak at 18" like I've heard my whole life. I'm 54, a life-long athlete, and I'm in by far the best shape of my life, endless energy, the whole thing. If I was gonna put a number on it, I'd say about 30 - 45 is the right age to have kids. Develop yourself mentally, spiritually, physically, and financially. Build a huge skillset. Learn how the world works. Then have kids. I think that's the ideal, though again, I'm not against a 20-year-old having kids at all. If that's your passion then go for it! I just don't want people to think it's too late at 30 or 40 (or more!) It's not.

Multi-tasking is retarded.

Why not wait to have kids until you can afford them? What college student or entry level worker can afford to start a family, or even buy a fucking house?

Based

I don’t just want to experience the joy of having kids. I want to build a dynasty. I want my kids to be twice what I am. I want for my great grandchildren to experience the joy you speak of, reliably. My kids will be homeschooled, and they will likely have bachelor degrees by the time they’re 18. So maybe they will be able to have children younger than I. But, for this lost generation, to have kids so young is a death sentence. It is to repeat the same mistakes our parents made — so foolish.

Do you already have kids?

I don’t doubt you’re in phenomenal shape at your age, but 2 things: 1. Did you treat your body at 18 like you do now? 2. As we age, we biologically need less sleep to feel energized.

Also I’m definitely not saying 30-40 is too old to have kids. All I’m saying is it’s going to be a lot easier the younger you are. I don’t buy the financially stable cope. They want to spend time with you, not things you buy them.

Too deep 🤯

No. I will not have kids until I’m ready. I am breaking the cycle of the retards who came before me having kids at 18-25. The successful, healthy half of my family started having kids in their late 20s/ early 30s. The poor, broken half all started early. I’m not stupid. You are fortunate. And anyway, my original point was that college kids are too immature to have kids. You had kids at an appropriate time.

Hahaha ok. I said lots of things about parenting before having kids too. The fact that you're thinking about it is good but you're planning will be thrown away the day you become a parent. There are far more important variables than age. Homeschooling is a good idea. The education system is currently beginning a MAJOR reform and wont be the same in 10 years. Having a "bachelor's degree by 18" is flawed at its premise. The bachelor's degree itself means nothing even today, (I run a business and college degrees would mean a resume goes straight to the trash) as real world education and real world experiences are far more important and by the time your kids get to that age anyway the bachelor's degree system shant exist. Those college kids are immature because their parents are retards and raised kids to send to send to college. I wish you the best, and many happy years with a healthy family, but I would never suggest waiting past 30, even though I myself planned to not even consider kids until 32. Experience teaches a lot. I have dozens of peers. I know personally trying to start families at around 40 and most of them are relying on IVF because its LATE. The wealth they built, is now being BURNED on IVF. "We make plans, and God laughs."

That is your lifestyle and genetics telling you that you should still be having kids.

Damn 👀

You're a man. The women are the ones getting pregnant. And I think it makes more sense having kids younger for them.

Depends on how many kids I think.

My great grandfather had his first daughter at 38, my grandmother. My kids wont go to college. It will be online, and incorporated with their other studies. Maybe a degree isn’t necessary, but they will be doing college classes like I did. If you think experience replaces training, you are in for a rude awakening. I’ve seen it across domains (especially MMA), self taught people always fall short of trained people. You will learn that people who are intelligent enough to invest in their own skills are better at solving problems, they perform better in all arenas. And with that ongoing reform, it’s foolish to write academia off. If one can get a “4 year degree” in a year for $15,000, why would you write that off? The self taught bullshit is why our systems are collapsing. Go teach yourself how a program written 50 years ago in cobol or Fortran works — and good fucking luck 😭

I did not say self taught is better than training. Universities offer little in the way of training. Many are teaching skills or methods obsolete in the field and employers have to supplement knowledge. I intend my kids to test out of high school around 16, and begin local community college courses while working/interning. Many paths open up from there that can bypass further wasted time on academia. Some fields REQUIRE 8 years of academic education but most do not. I'm just saying a wall of college degrees is more often than not only a status symbol of hundreds of thousands of dollars spent with nowhere near that value of knowledge in return.

I had kids in my 20s and 30s, as my forefathers did!

Revelation 👍

I might have. Just don’t know who they are

There's a reason the collective respects education, man. You are objectively wrong. If you go to a 4 year college for anything that isn't hands on like medicine, you are retarded. Like I said, you can get a BS in 6 months if you want to. You can get a MS in a year. For under $50,000! In what world is a degree that makes you qualified for a 90k-200k salary job not worth it? Going to a traditional school with a big traditional loan is retarded, I'm with you on that. But the big schools will change to compete with the newer online school. In 25 years, anyone will be accepted into a Harvard, MIT, etc programs, which will be subscription based, performance based, and accredited. This is the Age of Information. I just know that I won't let uneducated people be in charge of production or people in my future companies. I've seen first hand what people who have never set foot in a business management class can do to a company. They have no idea how to communicate effectively as supervisors; they're the most expensive liabilities. Why play the lottery and try to find the super genius self taught guy when I can just hire a hard working college certified man with a much higher chance of retention? Be serious. Mind you, the vast majority of Americans make under $50k a year. You need $80k to live and save in a city.

If every individual is weak, the collective is weak. If every one is a fool, the hive is a fool. If each one is mindless bug, we are nothing but insects.

I think you're misunderstanding me. I don't disagree with anything you just said. My point is only that MOST college graduates are not educated/trained/competent. They're indoctrinated.

Publicly funded education is the problem. It should just be donation and tuition based. Then prices would go down and quality would go up. I get what you’re saying. The benefits I’m talking about that come from higher education depend on how resistant an individual is to indoctrination. If they are totally broken down and made submissive, they are worse than useless. But the indoctrinating parts of education are being destroyed.